O/t 18 billion

I’m pretty sure the irony was intentional.

On the subject though. Has anybody noticed how since brexit was decided there are fewer European workers? Fewer immigrants from the rest of the world?

No?

Me neither. Funny that.

I’ve also only seen the value of the few quid in my pocket go further and further down. The value of the pound against the euro at record lows.

Must just be a coincidence. We’ve got our country back. Yay.

There were a lot of out voters with genuine justified reasons for doing so. Sadly a lot of folk voted out solely to ‘get rid of the immigrants’ - an ignorant and uneducated vote. Remember the bloke near the town hall saying he’d voted out ‘coz of the immigrants? I don’t mind the Europeans it’s all these Muslims’.

Because leaving the eu will stop migrants entering from outside the eu. Top drawer. I fear reflective of a lot. Or the old woman in Salford? ‘I voted out to get rid of the immigrants. I’m not racist I just don’t like foreigners’.

Taking issue with the level of migration is a valid political reason to vote. No issue with that. I do take issue when people vote on something so important with a completely idiotic and inaccurate view on what it means.

Others argued they were voting out for financial reasons as the money we’d ‘save’ (don’t make me laugh, as discussed by others above we are haemorrhaging over £200million per week before we even leave!) would go to the nhs. £350million per week. A claim walked away from by Nigel Farage before he’d even been to sleep the morning after the vote.

Before the next general election we should get a big red bus, paint ‘vote labour and every one will be given £25,000 a year and a free house’ and base the whole campaign on how this is definitely true. To acknowledge its cobblers the morning after.

 

Only £250m a week. Oh, that's alright then.

 

I think you'll find it was Thatcher who killed manufacturing. The Iron Steel and Coal Community helped to soften the blows for the people who worked in the two industries that used to employ people round here. I know because I was there.

 

Read my other quote. We are paying £250m per week, but we have lost income worth £300m per week. If we stop paying tomorrow, then the country is £200m per week in a hole (-300+250 = -50 -the 100+ or so that is spent in the UK). Expect that to be nearer £400m if the predictions of the value of the pound come true over the next year.

 

My thoughts on the EU.

We are asked to pay the EU about £350 million per week - but with rebates and regional development payments etc and the rest going to farmers we pay in the region of £200 to £250 million per week that we never see again.
That's about £12 BILLION leaving the country every year that we never see again.

What could we do with £12 BILLION per year invested into this country ???
Well we could start by connecting the M60 at Manchester with the M1 at Sheffield with motorway tunnels.
This would have a huge impact on the economy of South Yorkshire.
Northern Power House.

But I didn't vote Brexit because of the payments - I voted Brexit for these 3 reasons:

1) Farming.
Individual UK farmers - usually rich arable farmers (usually Conservatives) are paid EU BENEFITS of £3 to £4 BILLION per year. Paid to them by the EU from OUR taxes. This money is used to wreck our countryside e.g. Spraying out our wildlife.

2) Immigration.
How can we plan to improve our roads, NHS, prisons, police force, houses, schools etc etc - with an open door immigration policy? The country gets richer because of immigration - but the more we build the more people are attracted to the country - the quality of life dosent improve but actually declines. Hence the motorway posts on here recently.

3) The Syria conflict.
The presence of thousands of people walking over fields and being pushed from one EU country to the other - just showed that there is NO leadership in the EU. IMO the EU is like a huge oil tanker with 27 captains at the helm - it has no direction or steering. Better to be a highly manoeuvrable frigate with one captain at the helm, even if that one captain is Theresa May.

 

So the financial implications of Brexit has finally caught up with the futility of the social and cultural? Now there's a surprise.
It's all gone quiet over there...

Not in our life times mate, try 60-70 years. Then offset that against trade losses. Glad you don't do my books...

 

Maybe, but how much will it cost the economy to not be in the EU?

And the answer is "Nobody knows". But you know who will be paying it.

 

So the financial realisations of Brexit has finally caught up with the futility of the social and cultural? Now there's a surprise.
It's all gone quiet over there...

 

Orsen. I know we are diametrically opposed on this but Jorg Rocholl, the president of the business school ESMT Berlin and an economic adviser to Germany's finance ministry**, said today’s speech is a “very important step” – that is, if includes the expected commitment to continue paying in to EU budget for another two years after Brexit.
“So far there hasn’t been a real statement on the British side on whether there’s a willingness to pay,” he says.
But he cautions this won’t be enough to impress European governments. “There are also commitments that go beyond 2020. Here there’s an expectation on the German and the European side that Britain will keep (to) those commitments.”

That means handing over even more money well into the 2020s. That won’t go down well with many in the UK."

Does he not think it would help their case if they actually told us how the various demands (amounts of which differ depending on whether Junckers, Tusk or Verhofstadt are speaking) are made up (pardon the pun). They seem to be convenient amounts £100bn, 60bn, 75bn etc. without any real indication as to what those commitments are . The signed off budget was 2014 -2018 so apart from committment to UK serving administrators, MEPs etc What commitments would we possibly have since post 2019 the budget has not been agreed or signed off by any of the 27 members comprising the EU?
Furthermore since the contribution GROSS is now around 18bn but around 9bn after subsidies, so at 100bn for example, the EU,in effect expects us to pay a further 10 years worth of contributions post Brexit and gain no benefits and pay tariffs etc. What possible commitments could anyone have made in 2014 that extend to 2029 as that date will be in the budget TBD post 2027 with another budget 2020-2027 in between still to be agreed and signed off? Also, whilst it is a myth that EU budgets are not signed off by the auditors there is still the fact that for 2014-2020 100bn of the EU budget is still not signed off by the EU's own auditors, something that happens every budget . You have to agree that is a bizarre scenario in any circumstance

I would not trust ANY organisation that assumes contributors to a budget yet to be agreed in full 15 years hence will remain committed in the same way I would not trust any oranisation that makes such a commitment.

So my answer to Herr Rocholl is 'go on then- tell us what those commitments are' Both sides of the negotiation table are to blame here.

It is fair comment from staunch remainers like yourself that the Brexit side was not forthcoming with sufficinet information during the referendum campaign, but the above indicates it isn't exactly a one way street of misinformation and misdirection..

** not exactly an impartial commentator is he?

 

The right wing Tories who many on.here profess to hate but the same people have given them all the cards

 

Just what the BBS needed - another Brexit post so people can argue the same points they've argued previously on many occasions. Jesus wept, don't some people get bored of saying the same thing over and over again.

 

Or allowing those that were ridiculed to yet again say,I told you so

 

Germany and most of the rest of Europe kept its manufacturing base that stupid **** Thatcher got rid of ours and we pay the price to this day.

 

What's the use I'm in stating a figure that's incorrect and that the office for national statistics has publicly criticised Johnso men for using due to its inaccuracy?

 

It is pretty inevitable that we will end up with a Switzerland style solution. I'm not particularly bothered about leaving the EU. We voted for it so we should do it and accept responsibility do its success or failure.


There was no vote on leaving the EEA or the customs union so we should ignore jingoistic nonsense and just decide what is best for the economy which will be a continued close relationship via CU and acccessing the SM. Whether to be part of a system that we no longer have any say over whilst accepting its rules is quite what many who wanted to leave the EU wanted is questionable. However it clearly sticks to accepting a democratic vote which was based on a binary question without committing economic suicide.

 

it's okay: i understood.

 

Funny that it was the rich, Osborne, Cameron, Blair Branson and their ilk that wanted us to remain

 

And it was the EU who stepped in in the 90s to subsidise the building and rent of the new industrial estates that were built in our deprived areas under objective 1. Where would we be now without this? The metaphorical EU flag flies all over barnsley and it's surrounding areas.

 

They are all wealthy and affluent enough: it's irrelevant to them personally.
The middle-classes and above are the only people who will not suffer under brexit, for they will generally be able to withstand inflation much easier than the ordinary working man.
Not difficult to work out.

 

I also stated the correct figure elsewhere so i suggest you read the full thread.