Ted Heath 'Would Be Formally Questioned' If Same Allegations Came Out Today

RedKestrel - take my advice and stick to posting messages about football.

 

You should apply for a place on the judiciary. Preferably not in the UK though. Somewhere like Russia should suit. Where due process, facts and evidence have no bearing.

 

Colliers, he may have committed crimes. He may not. You don't know and neither do I. Thats the job of the police and the judiciary to decide.
Anything else is just pitchfork, vigilante mentality that takes us back into the dark ages and chaos of mob rule.
If someone accused you of, let's say robbing a bank, would you like to be tried and judged by the first 20 people who heard the story or would you prefer the police to investigate?

 

I bet Thatcher was a kiddie fiddler as well.....

 

Yeah she hated miners.

 

I'm uneasy with this current trend of waiting while someone is dead and unable to defend themselves, before accusing them of something.

 

i dont know whats worse being called a tory or a nonce but there's no need for either on a football forum. id question why this post needs to be on here and why the poster still is too.

 

I can not understand what your on about pal, its nowt to do with chaos and mob rule, the police have investigated and found there are charges if still alive he would have to answer, a bit like that Savile he died before they could charge him, it's like a who done it you read the book and make your mind up my is he did it. yours maybe he didn't. Opinion's they call it.

 

And what as the poster done wrong to you like!
It's a topic and theres nowt going off down at Oakwell if you don't like the post don't read it.

 

Upthecolliers - I'm tipping if you brought him to justice now it would be a "no comment" interview!

 

could always interview derek acorah and see if he's "heard" owt and we could waste even more time, effort and police resources on something that's never going to end in anything but allegations

 

They aren't being made years after the event. They were made at the time, but no one listened. In other words they were covered up. This is the real outrage.

MP and cabinet minister Barbara Castle wanted them investigated back in the 70's. So did Geoffrey Dickens MP in the 80's, and successive ministers since, but the establishment made sure they weren't with death threats and intimidation.

Do a bit of digging and you'll see how far back this goes.

Incidently, Harvey Proctor MP who has featured in these investigations and been very loud in his protests, was convicted of gross indecency in 1986 whilst he was an MP

 

Its not (directly) related, but the father of our current PM worked at the same hospital as John Bodkin Adams - the 50s equivalent of Harold Shipman. He was only ever convicted of mishandling drugs and was allowed to return to medicine even though he was thought to have 130+ victims. That was alleged to have been covered up due to an affair with the brother of a prominent minister of the time.

The Heath allegations may, or may not, be true, but the victims deserve the right to an investigation.

 

I heard of some very disturbing allegations against Ted Heath 10 years ago some that go a lot deeper than these abuse cases obviously I can't go into detail but they were truly horrific

 

This current investigation into Ted Heath was brought about by a ambitious DCI in that force. It is based on fantastical allegations by "Nick", a informant who made allegations against many prominent Establishment figures,living and dead following the death of Jimmy Seville. After many years of investigation,none of his allegations involving many Politicians,they have been shown to be false. "Nick" has been shown be a Pathological Liar and has been arrested by the Met,and his evidence discarded. The Met told Wiltshire Police that there was no evidence and no files relating to Heath,historically. Obviously some people will see this as part of a massive conspiracy. Wiltshire Police have spent over £1.2million investigating Heath. The DCI involved is now under investigation by the IPCC, for communicating with a ex-convict via E-mail about this case. As someone who was involved in historical Child abuse cases and bringing people to justice,I find this trial by public opinion disturbing.
For information purposes,one of the allegations against Heath by "Nick" was that there was a Black Mass where everyone wore Capes and Masks. A 11 years old boy was Raped and Murdered at this event that Heath was present at. This is what led the Met to drop Nick and view him as unreliable and untrustworthy as a witness .
Not every Male over 50 has committed Sex crimes against children and women. Our Justice system is fair and impartial and views every case based on intelligence gathered and evidence . Where there are mistakes these are rectified when evidence proves this. No one person or organisation is exempt from our Justice system,despite what they and others may believe.

 

How long did it take the Hillsborough victims families to get to the place where there is going to be a trial? How about the police actions at Orgreave?

Jimmy Saville avoided justice for his crimes. It took Derek Bentley 45 years to be pardoned, which was a bit late seeing as he'd been hung...

For some people, the wheels of justice turn too slowly, and evidence has been misplaced in other investigations...

 

Very valid examples to quote, Scoff. I think though that we have to bear in mind that these cause celebres represent a very tiny proportion of the number of criminal and civil cases brought in any one year. Some cases - Bentley's for example - lead to developments in the law (the law of joint enterprise, in that case). Perhaps as well to note here that Lord Bingham LCJ did not rule that Bentley was innocent, but found that there were serious defects in the trial process which, if the case were being looked at today (and Bentley had not been hung) would have resulted in a retrial. Important though that despite it's occasional shortfalls, we don't denigrate our legal system so much that we place it alongside less satisfactory regimes. It grieves me a lot when politicians disrespect the system so much that they fail to uphold it's values - as happened with some of the comments following the Supreme Court article 50 case. No surprise that Liz Truss is no longer Justice Secretary. The law exists for all, although I'd admit the last three or four governments have downgraded access to it. And the appeal system is one of it's great strengths.

 

A Liberal Democrat...

 

I think there was very probably a white privileged paedophilic gang kicking round in the 70s and 80s whether Heath was part of it I have no idea.

It interests me that the same people who are apoplectic with rage about Muslim grooming are apathetic about this but I don’t suppose it suits their agenda.

The victims if they are such deserve a voice and deserve their allegations to be investigated.

 

There were a lot of Paedophiles active. In the period you mention The PIE Paedophile Information Exchange were regularly on TV and the press,lobbying for equality and acceptance for the right to have sex with children. Gaining legal representation from the Equal Rights Commission. In the 1980s,I would say 90%of the population had never of Child abuse. Getting acceptance by relevant Statutory Bodies that it existed and a appropriate response legally and medically was needed.it was a hard long battle back then; people just couldn't accept what they were hearing. Whether it was from their or other people's children or even their marital partners. Abusers outside the family had been protected with impunity by the nature of the organisation they worked for; especially if it had a Residential element to it. Such as Social Services,Boarding schools, Religious and Political organisations. Powerful people protect themselves and those who are benefit to them. Their was a Paedophile Sect in Yorkshire which did comprise Professional people, eventually successful convictions were obtained. My experience was that it was difficult for people to believe that seemingly decent ordinary men (usually), could do such a thing. This is where Intelligence gathering and sensitive long term counselling to discover what had happened. Back then there were very few cases which will not proven,there was a relief that they could tell their story. Sadly I think there are more malicious accusations made. Which is why I believe we need to thoroughly investigate with a open mind and not automatically jump to a conclusion. Let the evidence Lead to the truth.