Now Brown is fit and adebajeyo has signed

He can only be recalled I believe, and even then, only during the transfer window.

 

I actually know this already. I was trying to make a point with this thread. Didn’t get the bite I wanted, must try harder.

 

Ah I see what you're saying. Went straight over my head if you'd not guessed.

 

Agree with much of that, though I think if Ugbo develops physically he'll suit a 1 upfront, he lacks strength for me at the moment.

At Burton, Ugbo grafted and played a key role for Potts' goal to be fair to him, but couldn't retain the ball and I thought he struggled against Turner and McFadzean. It was no coincidence that we controlled the game after Bradshaw came on, scored two without reply, because we retained the ball far better mainly due to Bradshaw giving our midfield the chance to link up with play.

I remember Ashley Fletcher getting "old manned" away at Bradford a couple of seasons ago when he was up against Rory McArdle. He barely got a kick of the ball but never gave in. But it seemed to do him good, and he was a far better player for the experience, something we really benefited from in the weeks that followed.

 

I agree, i think hes just been unlucky. Theres definitely a player in there

 

Ugbo has had more minutes up top on his own for us than he has had playing in a two. I agree with the previous post that he's struggled as a lone striker as he isn't quite there physically or in terms of the little bit of guile and movement that you need to play that role. He's looked better on the rare occasions in which he's been playing with Bradshaw as a partner. For what it's worth, Heckingbottom also has 'a football brain with a few brain cells' and has largely favoured 4-1-4-1 this season as 4-4-2 doesn't suit our current group of players, despite the fact that this system got us from mid-table in League One to mid-table in the Championship in less than 12 months.

I wasn't at Burton or the Spurs game so can't comment there. Can't afford it sadly. But I can't agree that he caused Terry problems against Villa. I thought both him and Bradshaw were tame that game.

You contradict yourself a little there. Surely Bradshaw is also getting chances through his hard work in terms of movement and build up? You have to question what Ugbo is doing wrong if he's not getting tap-in chances. Is his positioning what it should be? Is not the better option Bradshaw if he is taking the chances that come his way but Ugbo isn't? No matter what the nature of it's coming about is, a goal is a goal. I'd much rather have Bradshaw in to score three tap ins than Ugbo to score one individually brilliant goal from the edge of the box. I'm sure you'll agree we're in this league to win games and pick up points over and above doing things in the perfect manner which don't end in positive results.

This is the real deal - not an Under-23 or Development team. We can be patient to a degree with Ugbo, but Bradshaw is the more potent option and he's our player.

 

Whilst I don't agree with sending him back as he's looked ok, I'm not sure how you can say he's one of the best young strikers we've had on loan. He's got 1 goal in 9 starts.

 

Correct, and also, no one should compare us to premier league top clubs and how they play.

Top clubs spend millions of pounds buying players that fit into specific roles. Their value is largely based on their ability and football brains.

We're not at that level, but it doesn't make our way brain dead.

 

Fair enough Monkey Red.

If people watch him on youtube whilst playing for the u18's and u23's inc check a trade games he was fed a lot of balls from high by an attacking midfield. In the 433 we play the midfielders aren't getting the chance because of position or ability in some cases to play the ball between CB and full back that players like he and Thiam would thrive on.

That's a negative to the 433. the positives are for Williams to play dm. Wide players and attacking full backs.

Could we get the system to play Mcgeehan or Moncur to play higher up without affecting Williams?

If we can't we could get Ugbo or Thiam to play wide now Isrgorves injured.

In all, we've got a good squad with plenty of options and maybe 4 players would fix the squad perfectly?

 

Glad I read the rest of the thread before replying, you just saved me a lot of typing.

 

I would except the Ugbo can't play the lone striker role.. if he's made any kind of impact in a 2 or even a 3. But he hasn't UIgbo looks out of his depth. As for Tiam, he's still in the let's wait and see bracket
And as for the new lad,1 goal in 15 games for Orient, will not have you at the edge of your seat.May come good, or maybe another we're training up for Grimsby...
Long live the plan..

 

A good striker gets into good positions and scores. Tammy Abraham scored 25 last season from a combined distance from goal of about 25 yards. Some called it lucky but it's not; he got into the positions to score those goals. Lineker made a career on doing little in games but scoring goals. Winnall always had a chance in almost every game because he knew where to be, that's what Bradshaw's doing this season. Ugbo has also had chances; against Villa he had 2 clear chances. He needs to be more clinical more than anything imo. It would be ridiculous to suggest Bradshaw's been lucky because he's got service that Ugbo hasn't because clearly Bradshaw has done more to earn these chances and get into the right positions

 

Why? We need as many options as possible.

 

The irony in someone who can’t string a sentence together questioning Heckingbottom’s ‘brain cells’.

Guardiola’s played with 2 up top more than Heckingbottom has this season, no idea how he’s got City 8 points clear when at times he’s used a system that only someone with no brain cells would use

 

Just as a side point I'd ban 4-2-3-1. It leads to negative football, possession for the sake of it and con men in a v-neck claiming to be tactical genii.

 

The formations Antonio Conte uses at Chelsea, has about as much influence on Ike Ugbo's career to date, as the formations used by Mike Newell have when he was in charge of Grimsby Town in 2009.

 

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the formation played for the last few seasons by the most successful team in world football.

 

Good for them. Who is that by the way?

It's not a one size fits all formation. Looks bloody awful when England play it.