Having watched the extended highlights

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  1. Archey

    Archey Well-Known Member

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    I feel it was only our decision making in the final third that stopped us from winning the game yesterday.

    Their goal was a bit of a farce. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt over the free kick being awarded; the ball does hit Pott's arm, and the way he moves his body, you could argue it was hand ball (it was borderline though). I think Hecky was a little harsh in saying we shot ourselves in the foot by remonstrating, as it was only Potts who went to the referee. Hecky feels we didn't do enough to prevent a quick free kick. The problem is, the referee doesn't do his job either. The ball is clearly rolling when the free kick is taken. Had this been pulled up, we could have regrouped a little better. Moncur is beaten to the ball on the edge of the box, and the huge deflection off Goose causes the goal. It was a similar one to the one we scored at their place in our promotion season of 97.

    Anyway back to my main point. It seemed apparent from the commentary that Hammill and Barnes often opted to shoot from distance yesterday when a pass would be better. The first instance of which was on the counter attack after quick thinking from Davies prevented a 1 on 1. Hammill countered and there was a simple through ball to Bradshaw begging to be played, which would have left him with a similar sort of chance to the one we eventually scored from.

    While on the subject of Hammill, and this isn't a criticism of him, I feel we don't get the best out of Bradshaw with Hammill on the wing. Bradshaw had few chances yesterday, however the 2 instances he did have were from crosses across the box. Well 1 was a shot from Hammill, but it was almost latched onto by Bradshaw. Barnes plays these balls in to Bradshaw each game, and I feel that you can't back against Bradshaw when the ball is played across the 6 yard area. It's a similar scenario to the ones we had last season with Hourihane whipping crosses in from the left for Bradshaw and Winnall to profit from. Hammill is much more direct, and when he does play a cross in, it's usually drifted towards the back post, which doesn't benefit Bradshaw who clearly benefits from low drilled crosses.

    Praise to George Moncur too, who took one hell of a whack in the build up to our equaliser. After being caught by a late challenge, he noticed that he could benefit from space created by such challenge and raced back to his feet, to receive the ball in the centre of the park and eventually assist Barnes. Far too often you'd see a player stay down and feign injury in that situation, but George was quick to react.

    Yiadom proved that he's going to be a loss when he eventually moves on. He was consistently involved in the highlights shown.

    On another day, we'd have won that game yesterday. Still, 1 point is better than none.

    You reds!
     
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    Young Nudger Well-Known Member

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    In other words we have two great wingers with a midget playing as centre forward.
    As been said a trillion times on here - tall mobile centre forward and you would see better performances from the wingers - and if we did go 442, then a better performance from Bradshaw.
     
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    Hammill is a bit greedy though- we all know that. Often it comes off in spectacular style. Sometimes not. He’s desperate for a goal though, and it shows.

    I thought Moncur’s involvement in our goal was outstanding. Hard to believe he was at Colchester and Peterborough so recently. Oozing class nearly every step he takes.
     
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    Bradshaw's got 9 goals this season, Hammill and Barnes alone have nearly 10 assists between them. We haven't lost in our last 8 games playing 4-1-4-1 (including Wednesday when we started 4-4-2 but drew the game after moving back to 4-1-4-1); Bradshaw has also got 4 goals in that time. Need I say more?
     
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    Yes you do.
    You could explain why we didn't win at Norwich even tho we had best part of the match.
    And why we sit near the bottom of the league even tho most of us agree that the team is playing well.
    As always - look at what needs changing to make things better?
     
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    Yet the midget has scored 9 with the service he is getting - why change it? Do big target men always work - we've had them in the past and it hasn't. Much prefer 5 across the middle - we have a talented bunch of midfielders who are scoring and creating - why drop them?
     
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    What I noticed yesterday watching the game on iFollow was that we gave the ball away too often with wayward passes, usually it being that final pass. Enjoyed the game though.
     
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    Why didn't we beat Hull then even though we had the better of the match when we played 4-4-2? The fact we played well at a tough ground to go is reason enough to be happy
    We don't sit near the bottom of the league! We're closer to the play-offs than the relegation zone!
    There's looking at what needs improving and looking for things that aren't there
     
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    Think you'll find we're closer to the play-offs than the drop
     
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    Didn't go yesterday so can only comment on highlights I have seen. Much of our inability to finish them off is down to decision making, first half Hammill could have played in Bradshaw instead of shooting (no real criticism of Hammill to be fair, he forced a save) etc, but I didn't see anything where a big man up front would have changed the outcome to be honest. As long as it's not above head height, Bradshaw wins his fair share and certainly at Burton away, he changed the game for me, everything stuck to him, against 2 giant centre halves.

    All that said, a different option is always good, but I'd also need to ask if we did play 2 upfront, would that limit our creativity? Presumably one of the wingers, or one of the more creative midfielders, would have to make way to accommodate the second striker?
     
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    As has also been said many times before, neither 1 up front nor Tom Bradshaw are the issue; we need to play to his strengths. The issue isn't that we don't have the strikers for 2 up front, it's that we don't have the midfield for 442. Bradshaw played up front on his own for the most part of the season before last for Walsall. They were a Doncaster goal away from automatic promotion. If we play driven balls across the box, he'll score goals. He's the top scorer in the 6 yard box in the league this season. That's no fluke.
     
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    Composure in the final third killed the hopes of Barnsley winning the game. Potts Hammill and Yiadom all just choose the wrong option in the final third time and time again.

    Hammill. He can't keep messing things up. He chooses the wrong option time and time again. Very frustrating. We can't say, well it's okay because it's Adam and he can do special things. When? when was the last time he did something special?

    Potts. He's simply got to be a lot quicker. you've not got the time in the final third. One occasion he played the ball early and it got cut out. He needed to drive with the ball and bring the fullback out which would leave a simple ball to put Barnes in.

    Bradshaw. Young nudger, it wasn't anything to do with his height. it's to do with a lack of pace, strength and lack of clinical touch. It's the same if he plays in a 1,2 or front 10. This was evident when he played against SW the other week. ball gets played through and any other striker at the club gets a shot away in the 18 yards back. With him the defenders don't need to break sweat to catch him. He should have a good low centre of gravity but he's slipping down all the time. Questions to Heckingbottom why he played the full 90 yesterday. don't get it at all.

    Yiadom. Panic Panic Panic what do I do now. It's not clear whats he's trying to do. He's not got the acceleration to burn a defender so he initally misses out on the cross then he plays the cut back but by the time that happens the full back reads it. If he can get it away first time its clear. If he doesn't Yiadoms got a chance to put the ball in. He got one of these chances yesterday and was alone in the box with 10 yards space, perfect many would say. He then passes it to there defender.

    Frustrating.
     

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