Very Random (and Nosey) Question

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  1. redarmychris

    redarmychris Well-Known Member

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    That's not necessarily true.

    Impossible to say that dietary wise it isn't doing someone any good without having any knowledge on their health profile.

    All we've got there is estimated calorie consumption and a hint at a sedentary lifestyle. If weight is being maintained and weight isn't a risk factor then calories are supporting the lifestyle.

    We'd need blood test for the rest.

    Being sedentary is the standout risk factor there over diet.
     
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    David_Upper_East Well-Known Member

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    OK. I take your point. I only speak from personal experience (even though it is backed up by many scientific studies) that a low carb high fat has made startling improvements to my feelings of well-being, blood sugar and cholesterol profile. I am 68 years old - have a "normal" BMI now, lots of energy - go to they gym four times a week....enjoy a drink now and then....
     
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    Its good that its worked for you.

    You obviously educated yourself and understand the science behind why its working therefore are able to execute the diet and maintain it. You also feel motivated by the results.

    The majority are unable to maintain a fad diet. Most people don't understand a balanced diet before even getting into fad diets. They are only interested in the results of a fad diet and that result in most cases is fat loss or muscle mass increase.

    Most fad diets involve someone who understands telling someone who doesn't understand what they should and should not be eating. This in many cases will show positive effects short term are unsustainable for a number of reasons but commonly because people are unaware how to manage them long term. No one can be told what to eat forever.
     
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    Type 1 diabetes isn't reversible. As for ultra low-carb diets, they are fine for short-term weight loss, but extremely bad for you long term. Completely cutting out several food groups, especially nutritious ones such as fruits and root vegetables, is really not sensible. Fair play if you feel good on this diet. I tried something similar for a week many years ago, and felt absolutely rancid - tired, faint, sweaty, and constipated, with constant bad breath. It was horrendous. Also, how do you manage practically to eat 70% fats?
     
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    Luckily I feel great, have excellent BMI (19.8) and body fat percentage (21%). I've never been under or overweight or lacking in energy (other than when teaching for different reasons). I'm glad it's helped you but recommending it to people when it could in fact be dangerous (e.g. type 1 diabetics) isn't the best idea.
     
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    This is actually not true. When your body is changing from burning glucose to burning fat you get the symptoms you described in the early stages - when your body is adapted to ketosis then these will go away and you will begin to feel good, have more energy and if you manage electrolytes then constipation will not be an issue. It is not a diet - it is a way of eating and perfectly healthy in the long term. The Inuit people traditionally existed on a diet similar to this, and the Masai people of Kenya too. I find I eat less because I am not hungry and maintaining 70% fats is not difficult.
     
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    What is a "balanced" diet? We do not need carbohydrates - you can't get ill because you are not eating carbohydrates. From the point of view of essential nutrients and adequate energy to power your body a low carbohydrate diet is "balance" As for "fad" diet - well it's a common response. It's not a diet -it's a way of eating and well backed by research. I agree people don't like being told what to eat - and I really should not preach - but I am just stating what it has done for me.....
     
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    Then you are not insulin resistant - and that's fine - your body tolerates carbohydrates well. I would hope anyone with type 1 diabetes would consult a doctor before changing a diet. In fact a ketogenic diet CAN be helpful to people with Type 1 diabetes, but the danger is that if a Type 1 diabetic is in ketosis and then eats a large amount of carbohydrate - this can produce ketoacidosis which is a dangerous condition but not to be confused with ketosis.
     
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    The Inuit and Maasai do a lot more physical activity than the average Westerner, and have a significantly lower life expectancy. As far as I'm aware, the people with the highest life expectancy in the world are the Okinawa, whose diet consists mainly of steamed vegetables, fish and rice. As I said, if it works for you then great, I'm just not sure that using the Inuit or Maasai is a particularly useful yardstick to measure wellbeing.
     
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    The Okinawan diet has only 30% of the sugar and 15% of the grains of the average Japanese diet. Sugar, wheat and starch - the major culprits and the Okinawan diet is low in all those. I used the Inuit and the Masai as examples of the fact that you don't need carbohydrate to live, not as a measure of wellbeing. In any case I was referring to the Inuits in the past - the major cause of death in the Inuit nowadays is alcoholism and they no longer follow a traditional diet....If the 5 a day low fat advice we are being given works, why have we got an epidemic of obesity?
     
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    Yes, I've watched some documentaries about alcoholism in the Inuit communities, very sad indeed. I presume the main problems these days in the developed world are portion sizes and sedentary lifestyles.
     
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    Breakfast - two slices of toast with peanut butter or jam.
    Lunch - Sandwich (typically tuna salad or chicken salad on brown). Crisps. Chocolate bar
    Piece of fruit for a snack twice a day
    Dinner - Could be anything but typically carbs, protein and always vegetables. Usually pretty large portion. Will always have a small dessert like a yoghurt or something.
    Drink about 20 units a week of alcohol.

    I reckon I average about 2500 calories a day minimum. It's rare though that I won't either run at least 3 miles or do at least 30 minutes in the gym 5 days a week.
     
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    Breakfast Poached eggs on brown toast
    Lunch if I get chance to eat (bad habit) then either a ham sandwich or a tuna salad
    Tea something with carbs (potato, rice, wraps) usually chicken or fish based

    have a few beers in the week and then a few too many at the weekend

    Always have a Sunday dinner without fail
    Saturday eat out so probably something fairly unhealthy


    Probably eat and (more so) drink more than I should but life is for living and I find eating and drinking enjoyable. Exercise twice a week. Would love to exercise more but don’t have enough time.


    A mate of mine has been eating cauliflower and brocolli only and chicken I think for the last 3 months

    He’s pretty miserable about that!!!

    In my opinion, the key is everything in moderation, a bit of exercise and don’t drink alcohol excessively. Obviously this is easier said than done!
     
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    Does he still get invited anywhere? In particular, to bed with his wife........
     
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    Pot of porridge for breakfast, 2 weetabix for dinner and a 400 calorie meal at tea time. 3 litres of water throughout the day as well.
     
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    I follow similar.. good for reducing diabetic sugar levels as well.. its the opposite of the ..official line.. Bread, tatties, pasta, not good... for me anyway,
    its not fat.. that makes you fat.. peanut butter spread thick between 2 hobnobs is my favourite snack.. wi a big cup a tea
     
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    Breakfast
    Oats & spinach omelette

    Morning
    Turkey mince
    Sweet potato
    Veg

    Lunch
    Chicken breast
    Brown rice
    Veg

    Afternoon
    White fish
    Potato
    Veg

    Banana

    White fish
    White rice
    Veg

    Fage yogurt
    Peanut butter
    Dark chocolate

    Try to eat little and often. It's just the prep that takes some time
     

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