The Academy

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  1. Sup

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    Makes the academy even more profitable then. No wonder it's all gone quiet on the western front
     
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    Also add in Butterfield.

    I’d be interested to know how many league games players from our academy have played for the Reds.

    It would be a significant amount.

    The value of the academy can’t be understated. Even if we don’t quite break even on player sales, it’s still a source of players to help pad out our first team squad, rather than buy players on higher wages.
     
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    Always confuses me why people would want to scrap the academy.

    It's like a lottery ticket. With it, there is always the chance of attracting and developing the next John Stones(either for ourselves or a massive transfer fee). Once it's gone, the chance of attracting said player would be significantly reduced in this day and age. And that is forgetting the role the facilities play in the community...

    Personally, I am glad the club used the money to build the place, rather than spunking it on over inflated transfer fees, wages and agents fees.
     
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  4. Sup

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    I've only counted up the last 5 seasons and make it 204 appearances in the last 5 seasons (not including the current incomplete season). Obviously I'm probably one or two out as I added them up in my head
     
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    If your figures are accurate, there is no point continuing the debate. I am wrong. All I can do is retire as gracefully as I can.
    If your figures are not accurate, there is also no point continuing the debate because I cannot debate on the basis of a falsehood.

    Whatever, the debate is clearly at an end
     
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    fallon
    Mulligan
    Ocallaghan
    Austin

    Best part of 250 games between them.
     
  7. Sup

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    348 league games between them
     
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    A classic case of price v value.
     
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    As much as people these days would love to make it so, money is NOT and hopefully never will be the sole measure of value.
     
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    I’d say it’s touching the £20 million mark. A break even in its lifecycle which is pretty good.
     
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    Given that Butterfield spent some time with the Academy despite coming from elsewhere I think you’d have to count his fee towards the general pile.
     
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    I’m amazed it hasn’t been shut then...

    Still 11 home grown
     
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    I’m amazed it hasn’t been shut then...

    Still 11 home grown
     
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    It was definitely costing us more like 750K net a couple of years ago. Not sure if that has changed.
     
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    750k and 750k from Football League.

    Some of the **** in this threads unbelievable
     
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    Be more specific so people can try and deduce what the **** you’re on about.
     
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    ola Red rain ..Im not saying it defeats the whole argument, because like anything else in life, change comes to all types of situations and takes us off in different directions.
    Our attitudes change but we can only form them on what our belief of any given situation we understand to be true
    It's only when we are presented with further contributory evidence that we can form new ideas and get a clearer perspective .
    SO I can firmly see what brouğt you to the opening post
    Although other post do seem to cast a shadow of doubt over your theory you certainly can't be called as this thread in my opinion as created a very good debate , no matter its outcome and i would say being the rational poster you are, can take on board the opinions of others and no doubt form a rational view of the collective.
    We are aware that at the end of the day the football club is a business that needs profit to advance let alone operate
    Running costs like all business have to be taken into account and balanced against profit
    its also the balance between providing us with a conveyor belt of young players that hopefully with the business model we are at present working with will in the future give us a profit on future sales as such
    From points made by others you have to build into your thinking the funding that Barnsley recoup from numerous income streams when calculating the positives along side any negatives
    MR Cyrne stated running costs were 1 million per annum what he didn't state which was very clever on his part which none of us questioned might I add, was the said income streams that came from grants and the paying public, which vastly reduced the football clubs actual contribution from the actual gross outlay total to the actual net outlay to the club its self.
    There's a large disparity between gross and net wouldn't you say based on the evidence others have provided
    Taking into account this and previous information provided ..i would say without a shadow of doubt the academy has certainly paid for it's self and therefore could be described as a good investment and value for money in it's present form.
     
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    To put it frankly Gally the b*tchiness some of the posters all protecting there prefered owner or way.

    I don't agree with Red Rain but the posters that just attack others is embarrassing. It's the same lot that will attack me and Chris.

    On the academy, I'm a big fan of the system of course but there are problems with it. I posted to Chris last night that the club needs a clearout and that, of course, includes the youth system. That's starting from Hassell all the way down. That isn't me not liking him, but the facts are the system isn't what it should be. We need someone of an expert in that field imo that can take us to the next level. Another exit at the first round of the FA cups not good enough and a yardstick for all youth systems measure themselves by.

    What going forward. Not sure. I would like to see it upgraded but what will be the cost to that? another 2 million possibly?
     
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    I think the new owners will do the fan engagement thing well, but to be honest, the actual views of us on here are probably likely to be even less influential going forward. So like all the transfer guesswork that goes on on here, we are all indulging in pure speculation about how the academy will be perceived going forward.

    Having said that, the costs of building the thing represents sunken costs to the new owners, although operating costs are of course different. But to maintain and upgrade the academy gives us an additional source of recruitment, as well as our shopping in the lower leagues and possibly now in Europe. That can't be a bad thing. Also, maybe we will now be able to pinch other clubs' promising academy recruits with our increased financial clout?
     

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