How many more points?

I can only foresee 12 max, considering our performance yesterday and our current form. Difficult to see us getting much from the away games, save perhaps a point at brimingham. McBurnie looks very good, but supply will be an issue. Can Knasmullner make that much difference? 40 won't be enough.

 

Yesterday was yet another very depressing experience for me. We just do not seem to have enough quality in enough positions to get over the line, and if we cannot beat Sheffield Wednesday, there are an awful lot more teams that we will struggle to beat. I am not the type who gives up before we are mathematically sure of the drop, but things do not look great.

 

We are done, I am afraid, unless the new guy is VERY good.

We need another 20 points, I think. Not going to happen.

 

Too many.......

 

Regardless of how rich our new owners are, the whole landscape is very sobering in terms of what we can expect in the future.

Unless they change tack and decide to be speculative, I think the plan is pie in the sky at this level, and the very best we can hope for is yo yoing between this and league one.

Virtually ever single club in this division is prepared to take on debt to fuel their existence or ambitions.

I'm not suggesting we chuck loads of money at it, but just to take the club on and run it in exactly the same way just doesn't fill you with excitement.

 

correct!

 

None of this should be news to you. We recruited poorly and it’s shown in our league position

Interesting it’s coming out now

 

I agree with this.

Same old of looking decent in spells but not being able to put chances away, against a barebones Wednesday side in terrible form.

Next few games against relegation rivals will define our season.

 

No idea. However, we're only a couple of points away from both Bolton & Birmingham, there's approximately a third of the season still to go, only Hull have got a better goal difference amongst the strugglers, I'm looking forward to seeing a fully fit McBurnie, Isgrove & possibly Knasmullner producing positive performances. Added to this, a possible new manager/head coach coming in.
Even if others have written off this season and accepted we're going to be relegated, I certainly haven't. They could well be right & me totally wrong. But I'm not throwing in the towel.

 

We are in a mini league of 7 or 8 teams that could face the drop. Looking at the fixtures left, Burton
and Sunderland look to have the hardest run in. I've just watched Birmingham lose 2-0 at Villa.
Not sure they've got enough to survive to be honest. Must say it was sad to see Conor and Marc playing
but not in a Red shirt. We don't know our owners plans for the future. I have been reading about Ipswich
today. Their owner Marcus Stewart is fully aware of the fans dissatisfaction wirh Mick McCarthy and has
pledged to " resolve" the matter one way or the other. Staggering to think that they have unpaid loans to
Stewart totalling £64 million. If he ever lost interest and pulled out, they would probably go into receivership.
Whatever the future holds for Barnsley FC, I'm sure none of us want to go down the same road as Ipswich.

 

I think we only need 5 wins and a couple of draws. It's going to be a very low points tally to stay up this season. We need to make sure we can win at least the home games with the teams in the bottom half. We've drawn against better sides than Burton, Millwall and Bolton at home recently.

 

My thoughts on our new owners are complex and I have already spent far too much time trying to explain them. I am not so much concerned that they have not invested heavily in us. I am more concerned that when the real cost of football club ownership become apparent, they might quit the ship, leaving it to sink. I worry that a consortium of owners from the four corners of the earth have the right motives for ownership, and those worries have nothing at all to do with what they have done thus far.

My guess is that your reaction to our current plight, and whether, indeed, we shall become a yo-yo club has a lot to do with your expectations, which in turn has a lot to do with when you first started watching. I have lower expectations than many, and I get into bother for expecting my football club to be run on sound financial principles, rather than having success on the grass. Part of that also comes from the experience of Administration and being saved and put onto a proper financial footing in 2003. I do not want my club to incur the levels of debt that would give us a chance of competing in the Championship, and part of the Cryne family strategy of separating the land from the playing side was to ensure that there were few assets upon which a large loan could be secured and therefore less chance of building an unsustainable level of debt. If you rule out that possibility, then THE PLAN becomes the only way in which we can generate sufficient income to be able to compete, but even then we have to be better run than our competitors. It might well be that our new owners can franchise the name of our football club in foreign markets, but I remain to be convinced that huge revenue streams will result. I hope that I am wrong.

As I say, I probably have lower expectations for success on the grass than many posters on here, but that does save me from the level of disappointment that some posters experience.

 

A win against Burton will be out last win of the season. 27th of Feb. What a side.

 

He's at it again. Massive assumptions presented as fact.

 

Can you be a bit more specific. What are the assumptions that I have presented as fact?

 

Just about every time you comment on the new owners. I think deep down you'd like to proved right and it ends up a disaster.

 

Surely, I have presented my thoughts about our new owners as an opinion rather than a fact. If I haven't then that is certainly how I meant to present it.

 

A sound financial footing is one. Remind me again the size of the losses since then?

 

I'm sorry mate but if you're assuming that my expectations are based on when I started watching the reds, then can you guess when that was?

Also, you talk about other people letting themselves be more disappointed than you because you don't expect much, yet you describe yesterday's game as "depressing"

 

Well, up to 31 May 2016, we had lost £9,586,454. These were covered by loans from Patrick Cryne. Those are the last accounts on file so those are the only numbers that we can be sure of, but we know that we sold a lot of players in the year after, and that we had a bonus from the John Stones sale by Everton to Manchester City. The accounts for the year to 31 May 2017 will be filed by 28 February 2018, so we we know more up to date figures then.