If Swansea had hit send on that fax in August

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  1. TonyTyke

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    Sad but true
     
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    Apparently only football clubs on deadline day.
     
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    Well even if you take those goals away he's still got a very decent return. I don't know what people want - he works himself into the ground every game he plays, I thought fans wanted players who worked hard and gave everything? He certainly does.

    Sam Winnall has no pace, can't beat a man and struggles up front on his own if high balls are played to him but will score if you put it on a plate for him and I think it's fair to say he's good enough for the Championship!

    The way to suit him is... not to hoof it up to him on his own! He's not a target man!
     
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    Sam Winnall scored loads of goals with his head got on the end of crosses. Made much better runs and seemed to be in better positions. Winnall could over a short distance beat a man (Walsall semi final) and create space and produce a goal. The two aren't even comparable in terms of ability in my opinion.
    As for Bradshaw I do like the fact he works hard, I have no axe to grind with him no personal dislike. I applaud him off the field every time he plays, i want him to succeed I do not get any satisfaction when he plays poorly.
    Are you saying I should believe all our players are fantastic even if the evidence suggests not?
     
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    I don't believe Bradshaws ever been asked to be a target man, and I don't believe it's ever been our intention to send him up top and punt endless high balls to him.

    There is a difference between that and playing as a lone striker. He's just asked to be the most forward player, which I think was the role he played successfully at wallsall for 2 seasons.

    I've seen every game he's played bar 1 for the reds since he's signed, and he's had lots of chances to shoot from the edge of the box which he's turned down in favour of an extra touch or a pass, and he's missed quite a lot of headed chances, QPR being the most recent one.

    I don't think he has much confidence with anything that he has time to think about, but fine from close range.

    Just shoving a big lad up there with him doesn't guarantee tap ins for him. He's still got to be of a standard.

    I thing he will be hard pushed to get a start now Moore and Mcburnie have signed, and even Thiam has showed that he can whip a ball in and is prepared to take a shot on.

    We all know Bradshaw tries hard, no one can disagree with that, but the other lads look like they have more than one string to their bows at the moment.
     
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    As you know from our car park discussions after many of the matches, I'm a Bradshaw fan and have always thought we're better with him in the team than without. That said though, his recent form, irrespective of his goalscoring, hasn't been great. I dont know whether he's knackered, confidence shot, carrying a knock, but even when he's had the ball played to him to suit him, it's bounced off his chest, his feet like they're springs. I think he's better than that but can't argue with the change of selection and formation based on form alone. He had a typical Bradshaw chance brilliantly saved against Wednesday but had an even easier "tap-in" v Burton and barely connected. So I think it's more a confidence thing tbh.

    I hope the new coaching team stick with him but I think even Bradders himself would struggle to argue against sticking with the front line that finished v Burton and started against Birmingham.

    I also know you well enough that he gets your backing when he's on the pitch.
     
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    Yup, thats exactly my feeling with him mate. Ball whipped in, no time to deliberate, just get something on it and it's well saved.

    Anything other than that and he's making a meal of it.

    My travelling partner and me have debated many times about Bradshaw. He's a fan, I've never been, but he's finding it harder to justify his side of things of late.

    Might do him a bit of good being out of the starting line up. Could come on with fresh legs and score a few off the bench.

    Another thing I think is that he's been the main man at wallsall for two seasons and last season our goals were coming from winnall and Conor amongst others, so there was little pressure on him.

    This season he's taken up the baton as main striker, and with that comes expectation.
     
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    I believe the form was sent but had been completed incorrectly.
     
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    I get what you're saying, and yes he can play up on his own and do well. We saw that at the beginning of the season. Against Ipswich, he was excellent up top on his own, but the reason for that was because we were playing it on the floor, which allowed him to have enough of the ball and bring others into play. Unfortunately, recently, probably due to lack of confidence, a lot of the time we were hoofing it up to him, so even if it wasn't our intention, he was being asked to be a target man which he simply isn't, hence why he struggled.

    Perhaps if he's going through a spell low on confidence, then like Davies, a spell out of the side will do him good!
     
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    That's fair enough, but even Winnall missed lots of good chances; he just got into so many good goalscoring chances he made up for them. Competition for places will do him good and was something we didn't have in the 1st half of the season up front
     
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    Winnall is a better player, no doubt, but there are some similarities between them. Winnall occasionally beat a player but in League One. But neither are the type of player who do that regularly.

    I'm not saying that at all but I just feel that some of the stick he's been getting has been unfair given he's scored a good number of goals having had little competition for places up front and doing a difficult role. He's perhaps going through a poor spell of form now and a time out of the side will do him good
     
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    Fair enough and i agree time out of the firing line might help him. So wpuld playing in a team that was winning games obviously. Really encouraging to see us trying something different even if it ultimately doesn't work carrying on as we were with Bradshaw on his own was not working.
     
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    Winnall is outstanding in the air in my opinion - he scores loads with his head.
     
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    He's an excellent header of the ball no doubt, but not a target man. Put cross after cross in the box he scores loads, but play him up top on his own and hoof long balls up to him and he struggles
     
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    Imho we saw on Saturday exactly what we’ve been missing in terms of a target man. Yes Winnall was decent in the air, as was O’Grady but the role of a target man is much more than that. Moore demonstrated the lot on Saturday and should prove to be an absolute steal.
     
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    I’d argue COGba lived up to the role til he lost heart towards the end of his time at the club. Bloody loved him.
     
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    Huge fan of his as well. Loved the only skill move that he had that still killed the defender every single time.

    What we saw on Saturday was two forwards in McBurnie and Moore actually boss commanding defenders. It was surreal.
     
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