Another game with two supposed defensive midfielders

Another 3 goals shipped.

Dear chien Lee.
Take the hit, pay the 'fine' or whatever fee and drop one or both of the ******* before it sees us relegated

 

And the stats to back it up

With the crab twins:
Played 16
Won 2 (12.5%)
Drawn 6 (37.5%)
Lost 8 (50%)
PPG 0.75

Without

Played 23
Won 7 (30%)
Drawn 5 (22%)
Lost 11 (48%)
PPG 1.13

With
Conceded 24 (1.5 per game)
Scored 12 (0.75 per game)

Without
Conceded 39 (1.62 per game)
Scored 32 (1.33 per game)

Season total (using average per game)
With
For 34 - Against 69 - Gd -34 - PTS 34
Without
For 61 - Against 74 - GD -13 - PTS 52

Massive difference imo. One sees us certain relegation one sees us in with a chance. and both with a large enough amount of games to be comparable

 

I had a heated 'discussion' with a fellow supporter before Hecky's departure. I told him that playing Williams and Gardner together would get us relegated. Nothing has changed but the manager (or whatever he's called these days)

 

Got to be a contractual issue, there is no other explanation

 

You can list as many stats as you like but the first goal was a catastrophic error from Townsend that left us 1-0 down in the first minute and the second was an error from Pinillos and Townsend who both should’ve done better. You can’t legislate for woeful play, unfortunately.

 

Correct but what do these 2 offer in term of scoring or creating goals? NOTHING

As a pairing they are useless, no question about it. Every week I hope to see one of them dropped and every week I'm disappointed 2 wins in 20 odd now, not blaming them entirely but their lack of contribution going forward leads to our inability to score goals. Drop Gardner & start Mallan for the rest of the season we can't do any worse.

2 wins in 20 odd ironically against Sunderland/Birmingham who are equally as poor as us if we carry on with these 2 in the middle I do think we'll go down.

 

Bit harsh on the goalie there for the first one. Centre half completely misjudged it, keeper appeared to slip and the right full back who could have been the most effective was totally inept. Goalie deffo to blame for misjudging 3rd but where was the right back again? We have 2 very poor goal keepers but they are not to blame for every goal.

 

Ok if it is a contractual issue then the club has to weigh up a "fine" for not playing them against a 6m loss for getting relegated .
And do we have a defensive coach at the club ?
If we do he ain't doing his job .

 

Exactly Super Tyke, this awful negative non productive W & G partnership is total garbage.
Maybe one of them is a good idea, and we did offer Everton a fee for Williams, which they rejected. So will it be a good idea to offer Villa a fee for Gardner instead, do any of us really rate him though ?.
And this idea of a 'contractual' thing annoys me, do we have to play them for a set amount of games then, even though they're really poor together.

 

The best central midfield player on show for us today was Steve Mallan, albeit too late in the day.

 

Both have qualities they are completely ineffectual as a partnership.

 

Basically it’s without Gardner we have 7 wins out of 23 with 5 draws and with Gardner 2 wins and 6 draws he’s the only crab here and he needs dropping Next game and rest of the season

 

Spot on. 1st CB was missing and Cavare should've got across better, 2nd was a good driven effort where williams or pinillos should've closed him instead of both standing side by side, especially williams as he is meant to close down those areas.

Overall on the topic I believe they shouldn't play together, I prefer Gardner as he seems more suited in my opinion as a deep playmaker and he is still willing to do the graft as shown against wolves. Without williams I think it brought more out of his game, I don't really mind any but I imagine that Gardner would be better for starting an attack from the back.

 

He won’t be starting any attacks hiding behind players we have won 2 games all together this season when he has played he’s meant to make a difference with his experience, it’s not Williams fault he can’t play well it’s his own it’s nothing to do with formations and players a professional football player should no what to do when he steps on that pitch no matter where or who is playing with get out of Gardner’s ass please

 

Nice one, one comment on Gardner and im up hes arse? Despite saying I dont mind any but just have a slight preference?

Gardner is playing CM role so why should he be doing what Williams is doing and running within 2 yards of his CB to get ball? And then pass it back to his CB and then to full back, when he looks forward it still goes sideways or it would be a long ball to corner flag.

But I do like Williams, hes tackling and interception stats dont lie, he is a grafter and still learning the rest. But the point is, we dont know what we can play like without him in side, we might be better going forward with Mallan in for Williams and letting Gardner drop deeper for ball. But I guess we'll never know.

I suppose to you its all crap im talking cos you have a tunnel vision leading right up Williams' arse.

 

We have to start with an attacking option in central midfield which means either Mallan or Potts. They don't give us much but they'd be a massive improvement on knocking the ball back to the defence all evening. We have to go for it now.

 

Errm, it was Gardner's shot that created the goal for Moore. Just saying.

 

It means Mallan or Knas starting, and that’s probably why. Doesn’t trust one of those plus Potts in centre

 

Why would you want to experiment not putting Williams in the side we all know when Gardner was injured we went on our best run of the season stick to what we know keep Gardner or the team and get back to winning games like we where at the start of the season up until the Cardiff game where Gardner came back, I think Williams has had poor games as well as good but his poor games are still far better than Gardner’s average game he needs dropping

 

Gardner or the team?

So you are saying that we are losing because Gardner is in side, does he play in defence, attack and net at same time since its gardner or the team? As if he is the sole reason we cannot defend cos thats only reason we've lost so far. Dodgy defending. How can gardner prevent 1st ball coming in from out wide and getting knocked in at far post? How can he prevent traore cutting in from right and striking ball in corner (in fact it was williams who failed to close that down) and also why was it gardners fault that townsend missed corner?

Gardners shot that got saved straight to path of moore was only reason we scored. So had we cut out mistakes that didnt involve gardner then we wouldve won 1-0.