Has the tide turned for a manager...

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  1. Sonia Allen

    Sonia Allen New Member

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    He talks a lot of fans getting behind the team then proceeds to sit in the dugout for 99% of the game. Not what we want to see in a manger.
     
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    I think a big problem is a lot of people still can’t bring themselves to admit that Heckingbottom was doing a good job to have us outside the bottom 3 with the team we had. Even if Jose does an average job he’ll probably take us down.

    Imagine how bad we’d be if you’d took McBurnie out of our side & replaced him with any of Hedges, Hammill, Bradshaw, Mahoney or Isgrove for the last 6 or 7 games.

    Feels like we’ve got about 20 league one standard players & about 4 championship ones.
     
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    Paul Heckingbottom was doing a good job with the standard of player we have to not be in the bottom three all season - although seen he left we had fallen in I think.

    The trend was the same - we hadn’t won in 16 tries under him and it was leading one way, although we will now never know what the result would have been as he ran away.

    Relegation won’t solely be Morais’s fault.
     
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    Are you trying to convince us all how good hecky is again. 1 win in 14 and one goal from.open play would suggest otherwise. I think We have appointed the wrong bloke in jose aswell.
     
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    Absolutely not. Of course not.

    But it will be his fault in part at the very least.

    We’ve seen time and again that for every ten foreign managers appointed in the championship only two or three work out. I’m not being xenophobic in the least, I don’t care where he’s from, just that he had zero working experience in this league and a very questionable record anywhere.

    We needed guile and experience to get us out of a hole, we finally have a more balanced squad, yes lacking quality in areas but no more so than half a dozen other teams. We needed know how, we got a left field punt.

    With a proper rudder and know how, I’m convinced we would pick up better results than those around us, in the main because we have the best goal scorer amongst the sides down there and defensively have better individuals than a lot of them too from what I’ve seen.

    For me now it’s back to basics. 4-4-2, stay solid, even Williams and Gardner (shudders) as the midfield two if its seen necessary, two wingers and mcburnie playing not on the wing but at centre forward, probably with Moore (who is very tall yet doesn’t win everything in the air and doesn’t look like a player who is ever likely to be effective at this level, or at least not in a forward three)but even with bradshaw who has been castigated but hasn’t been given the chance to play up top with anyone else and had struggled on his own most of the season.

    Get it wide, get it up to the forward, not pretty possession retaining (losing) football. Shape, cohesion, maybe boring but capable of getting results. Clean sheets, and nick a couple here and there.

    We don’t need to win five on the trot to get out of it.
     
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    That might work, it might not but fundamentally we have added one player in McBurnie to when we’ve played 442 before. We still have to play Williams and Gardner as the most “reliable” two central midfielders we have and we’d still be hoping that Bradshaw can thrive playing up top with someone.

    Moore has played as a left forward in all bar one half of Morais’s games. No one was particularly bothered by this until yesterday were they?

    I don’t see how we have a more balanced squad as we still don’t have a midfield two who can play together and actually do something akin to Houriane/Scowen or Houriane/Morsy
     
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    I saw enough in the Fulham home game before Cavare lost his head to suggest that Hecky had got his 4-4-2 sorted that he wanted & then we signed McBurnie after that so I’m confident he would’ve kept us up.

    The 4 weeks before were bad results wise but he’d got no options, Barnes & Ugbo gone back, Hedges & Isgrove injured, Williams 3 game ban. Motley-Henry & Brown on bench. Compare that to now where McCarthy, Hammill, Pinnock, Fryers, Hedges, Knasmullner can’t get in squad
     
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    Cotterill last few matches.....

    Lost 2-1 to Forest
    Lost 2-0 to us
    Lost 5-0 to Brentford
    Lost 1-0 to Millwall
    Lost 2-0 to Aston Villa in a local derby
    Lost 4-1 to Huddersfield to go out of the cup

    P: 6
    W: 0
    D: 0
    L: 6
    F:2
    A:16

    Monk results so far since being appointed 4th of March......

    Lost just 1-0 to play off chasing Middlesborough after just two days with his new team on a terrible run.
    Lost 3-2 away at automatic promotion chasing Cardiff.
    Beat Hull 3-0

    He's got the twice the amount of points of Cotterill, in half as many matches. Even in the two defeats the improvement was already visible.
     
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    But just look at the bench yesterday. Devoid of any real options. The squad is still poor

    Did Paul Heckingbottom play Williams and Gardner in the middle against Fulham?
     
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    He overachieved in all 3 seasons he had in charge of us. We should’ve been bottom with the team we had before January.

    Of course results before he left weren’t great but who would’ve got results with that team? It was poor & had little depth to start with & then we lost several players to injury / suspension / recalled
     
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    Promotion in L1 want over achievement at all
     
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    I can’t remember. I just remember us been well on top against a bang in form side after he’d got the target man he wanted that enabled him to play 4-4-2.

    I think the bench could be a lot better. Hedges is a good substitute, he’s **** when he starts but I rate him off the bench. Think Hammill gives us something off the bench with big lads to cross to
     
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    The squad is not of Championship quality. I've been saying it all season, so I can't start suddenly blaming the new manager now that he's struggling to get results with the same players.

    Yesterday we finished the game playing 4-1-5. Gardner at centre half, Moncur anchoring the midfield and five in a line upfront. I get it, 2-0 down with ten minutes to go, desperate times call for desperate measures, but that was just stupid. Ridiculous. ******* insane.

    Apparently we've recently employed a new performance analyst, or we're about to. The opposition don't need one when playing us. Our manager told everyone exactly how we're going to play at his press conference when he got the job and it looks like he's going to stick with that rigidly no matter how badly we execute those tactics with this squad of players. Plan B, when we invariably go a goal down, is to shove more and more forwards on the pitch until we reach the ludicrous formation we saw yesterday. How do we beat Barnsley? Easy, just turn up.
     
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    Hammill maybe. Hedges largely poor.

    The same deficiencies remain with just a better striker to cover them up.
     
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    Not the first time we’ve done it this season although not perhaps to that extent
     
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    It was from mid-table, having to beat Wigan on the last day to confirm play offs, having to convert Scowen into a full back, get Williams out of the reserves etc. Did a great job
     
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    I don’t disagree he did a great job but it wasn’t over achieving. We should have been there all season
     
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    Because we have more than one centre forward who can start, we can challenge for headers in the final third and have the capability of taking half chances.

    We don’t have the quality of Hourihane, I’d love to still have Scowen.

    But as somebody mentioned above, in defeat, the game against Fulham at home finally showed a shape and cohesion. We got beat in a smash and grab after being down to ten men after Cavaré’s brain fart but the same performance level as that first half against Norwich and Millwall would very likely have seen us win in my opinion.

    4-4-2, two proper centre forwards (one of them was bradshaw, mcburnie is a massive improvement on tom), midfield two of Gardner without Williams who was banned, Hammill in the side. Matty Pearson played centre half admirably, but both Jackson and Pinnock are better in my view.

    We looked better that day with 4-4-2 and now have better individuals available for some positions. It has to be worth a go.
     
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    One difference for me is that I'm just unenthused when listening to Morais' interviews on the radio. With Hecky I used to stop what I was doing and hang on every word. With this guy I find myself zoning out and going off to wash the dishes or check my phone. Then before it the interview's over and I haven't actually taken a word in from what he's said.

    His dugout antics do little to suggest he's any more inspirational to the players.
     
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    Did you NOT hear what the new owners said.
    They are here to extend ‘the plan’.
    The plan has worked - but it has been totally undermined because Patrick didn’t have enough cash to keep certain players at the club.
    You can’t expect to sell a FULL team and then start again from scratch in the Championship with untried and untested players.
    If they had kept most of the players and added a few additions then we wouldn’t be relegation fodder.
     

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