Bit of advice for Chien and Neerav and the other directors

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  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I know, I was adding support to your post.

    Shall we stop :)
     
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    David_Upper_East Well-Known Member

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    So many delusional posts. Who do you think you are? Mick McCarthy? I don't think so.. Keep Morais and give him a transfer window. The new consortium should make a considerable amount of money available and trust that it is spent wisely. Morais has overseas connections. Why would the consortium want Barnsley to fail? Why should the not give us more money?
     
  3. TitusMagee

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    I agree to a point but there's the small matter of FFP and the need for BFC to remain sustainable.

    We don't want a situation where they throw cash at it then later decide they no longer want to bankroll us anymore, as has happened with other clubs in the past.

    For these reasons I dont think we will do anything majorly different, however constantly selling any saleable players and expecting to stay up when buying younger, lower league or obscure (Knasmüllner) players is not the answer either. This is what I'm interested in seeing the outcome of.

    I do believe them when they say they are in it for the long haul though, I just think every club should live within its means.
     
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    Would also add all the people saying we should have splashed the cash etc in the Jan window, if we stood up and waved an open cheque book to the world what players worth having (not mercernaries etc) would have come?
    Reality is we were a genuine relegation threatened club, turning out poor football, on a poor run, not exactly appealing to the top players some think we should have signed.
    As said give them the Summer transfer window, an opportunity to put their stamp and personality on the club and squad and then judge.
     
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    There are always players who will be attracted by money. We don’t have to look any further than Sam Morsey. He’s done alright and will now be playing a league above us next year.
     
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    Agree with that but, the amount of money wev spent already on bang average players...... Its not the money being available im worried about, its who picks them and how their selected.
     
  7. Micky Finn

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    Admin - didn’t we use to have a Comedy Gold sub-forum for zingers like this? I think we have our new champion....
     
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    With the greatest of respect, I think I should point out that the personal wealth of a company owner and the corporate wealth of a company are two entirely separate things. Just to clear that up...
     
  9. Young Nudger

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    Of course not.
    But on the other hand they are linked.
    For the last 2 years myself and the other shareholder have spent money on the company and not recieved a penny in return.
    If we didn’t personally have that money we couldn’t spend it.

    Like I’ve said before - if you and a mate buy a vintage car with a faulty gearbox.
    Do you pay to get the gearbox changed?
    Or do you and yer mate just sit and stare at the car parked on the drive?
     
  10. Micky Finn

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    Or do you claim the car is worth billions and bring in an eager Lewis Hamilton to sit in it on your behalf and win the F1 title?
     
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    It's not comparable. Financial fair play. Im sure the owners could pump millions into the club in summer if they so wished but they cant unless we do it in a snide way like Wolves have. And we'll more than likely be in league one too.

    They could have trillions, it makes no difference. Yes they are linked but you fail to see the reasons why they cant do what you think they can do!!!

    They cant just splash out 5 mill on a centre mid and a few million here and there without sanction, whereas if you want to drive around in a porsche for business using your own money then thats perfectly acceptable.
     
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    Sheffield United [​IMG] Abdullah bin Musa'ed (50%) $155M Property, Oil

    It is his uncle, King Abdullah who is reported to be worth $18 bn. So far as I am aware, King Abdullah has never been seen near Bramall Lane!
     
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    No , you get it repaired under the warranty ! unfortunately no warranty with the reds , you have to budget & generate income , personal money is exactly that & not to be confused with club money , I do not get why you cannot understand that
     
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    I get the feeling we are fighting a losing battle mate!! You'd have thought dozens of people telling him this and other stuff might have sunk in by now!!! :rolleyes:
     
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    I understand and agree with what MapplewellRed, Jay, you and plenty more have said on this point.
    But I am also slightly confused.
    Are we saying that it's just coincidental that a club (Bournemouth) has climbed from obscurity into the Prem, whilst at the same time having a weathly owner? Is there no link at all between Chelsea and Man CIty's successes and the fact that they are owned by rich blokes?

    I don't tend to follow football finances that much,so this is a genuine confusion and if I'm talking out of my rear end... well, there's nothing new there :)
     
  16. Young Nudger

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    Lol !!!
    I have other people trying to convince me in other aspects of my life.
    I suppose I think about things differently.
    Or it may be that I just happen ......... to think about things.
    Where others don’t.
     
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    My post was intended to be sarcastic, but to be fair to Nudger, he does partially have a point on the finances. A wealthy owner of a business does have the option to put some of his personal wealth into the business, if it is struggling. However, this will usually show up as a debt in the accounts of the business, so it won't strengthen the balance sheet, unless it is an outright gift. The assets of the company remain the same - if an owner injected £1 billion cash into a company with a value of £1, the company would still be worth £1 afterwards, but it would have a huge pile of cash in the bank. A business owner who is skint does not of course have this option.

    In football it's not that simple, because of the FFP rules, which attempt to limit losses to £39 million over a 3 year period, with penalties including points deductions for clubs that fall foul of the rules. Leicester City and QPR are subject to ongoing investigations about it, and Man City were sanctioned about it a few years ago. Some people believe that the big clubs find ways round the rules. There's loads of stuff on FFP if you google it, but it's not easy reading http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php.

    In general, you're right. The gamble is (see Wolves) that a rich owner lends loads of money to his club, which the club then uses to buy better players, so they end up in the Premiership. Sky then gives them a huge pot of cash, part of which the club uses to pay back its rich owner. There's no FFP implication as it all balances out because of the Sky money. If the club fails to get promotion however, it will eventually fall foul of the FFP rules because it will make losses. That's my understanding, but no doubt an accountant (@BFC Dave?) will correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    There are ways of getting round FFP such as over-inflated shirt & stadium sponsoring by the owners companies e.g. Man City & Wednesday but the truth is none of us know that much about the new owners aims.

    All we’ve heard is the original press conference about spending a little more but not going crazy & that they like the current recruitment strategy we have in place.

    This suggest there’s no chance we’d be able to go & poach someone like Chris Wilder for example.

    I also believe that we’ll not see that much players turnover in the summer. The clubs invested in the long term in Davies, McCarthy, Pinnock, Lindsay, Fryers, Pearson, Mallan, McGeehan, Bird, Hedges, Isgrove, Moore etc, they aren’t going to just start paying players off & make big losses after a season.

    I’d imagine we’ll see a couple go who are coming into the last years of their contracts or who bigger clubs fancy but most will remain & be seen as works in progress.

    A goalie, 2 central midfielders & 2 strikers (presuming Bradshaw leaves) & we’ll not be far off promotion.
     
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    You don't need to break the bank to get out of League One and it should be well within our financial means, and we could do worse then look at Mark Warburton who got Brentford out of League One‎ and isn't in a managerial job currently.
     
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    Guys - can we stop having this belief that wealthy owners are unable to pump money in to a football club because of football fair play. The debt to PC was paid through an equity raise funded by the new owners, the debt was not replaced by debt but by further equity issuance, this itself improved club finances. There's nothing to stop the club signing a whole range of sponsorship deals with the owner's ventures, Manchester City did it with their training ground, it may not be the most compelling transaction for the other business but it is a mechanism of providing funding to the club. The only challenge is proving that there is a commercial value to these sponsorships.

    The biggest question is whether the new owners want to put new capital in or wish to continue the current approach of unearthing lower league 'talent' to sell on whilst the fortunes of the team are secondary.
     

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