where has TED gone after his disgusting post yesterday

just wondering like

 

who's ted

 

http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/censorship.268238/page-2#post-2131959

this is Ted

 

Probably taken Gally's advice and joined another board. Never been able to understand the criticism
that has been heaped upon our late owner. Barnsley FC is registered as a Limited Company and as such
Patrick's obligation was to file the Annual Accounts because he was not answerable to shareholders.
As co-owner along with BMBC it was within his gift to make the decisions relating to the financial dealings of the Company and that appears is what he did. We are not party to the reasons exactly why our best assets were sold in January 2017. I would think that in the case of Winnall and Hourihane , Patrick knew that whatever enhancement he offered could never match the sums that Wednesday or Villa were prepared to offer. Watkins asked for a transfer and wanted to earn more
money which he could only get elsewhere and Scowen might have stayed but we wouldn't meet his demands plus, he really wanted to head back South. To my mind, we did well to get what we did for Mawson and Bree who in truth, was OK going forward but couldn't defend when faced with anyone with pace. Patrick's legacy is that he did his very best with limited fiscal resources to the point that thankfully we still had a Club to support.

 

Well said Donny Red

 

Amusing. Maybe he’s had a few too many sherbets, as I’m sure you can appreciate?

 

The annoying thing about stuff like this is that if everybody occupies extreme positions it becomes impossible to sit somewhere in the centre without everybody accusing you of being on one side or the other.

I think that vilifying PC for what happened during his time in charge of the club is unfair, and I think a post (essentially) blaming him for us being relegated, timed to appear almost as soon as the final whistle was blown on Saturday, was asking for trouble, and definitely unnecessarily confrontational. He knew exactly what he was doing, and exactly what reaction it would bring - it was classic trolling,

And yet, at the same time, there is a point in there. The seeds of our relegation this season were indeed, in my opinion, sown last January, and watered in the summer. It's impossible to know to what extent the club were negligent, and to what extent they simply felt that they were looking after the best interests of Barnsley FC. We don't know what contracts were offered, to whom they were offered, and when they were offered. We don't know what those contracts were, and why (or even if) they were turned down. But it's impossible to say that we could or couldn't have kept Hourihane, Winnall, Scowen, Watkins, Roberts (etc, etc), had the right contracts been offered at the right time. All we know is that those contracts were not signed, for whatever reason, while PC was in charge. The fact that they weren't is, in my opinion, why we were relegated this season and, speaking completely personally, I have a suspicion that more could have been done.

There's a lot that we have to thank PC for, but he's not above criticism. My feeling is that he always acted in what he thought were the best interests of the club and made mistakes, but then I also think that you could argue that he wasn't willing to keep money in the club when it could have made that crucial difference between pressing on and being consigned to another year of struggle. I don't know enough to come down confidently on either side. But then neither does anybody else.

Patrick Cryne will, first and foremost, be remembered as the owner who saved Barnsley. And rightly so. But many people who have watched us over the last couple of years will suspect that keeping the 2016/17 squad together as far as possible might just have been our best shot at going for something bigger, and that team was dismantled under his watch. In the long term that will probably be forgotten in favour of his larger legacy but, speaking personally, I can't pretend that it isn't there at the back of my mind as I consider a season back in League One.

 

When we were embroiled in all the speculation around outgoings in January 2017 I asked myself, why did
Hourihane leave Plymouth, Winnall Scunthorpe, Mawson and Scowen Wycombe/Brentford and Watkins
Inverness Callie Thistle to join Barnsley FC.? I don't know for absolute certaintity, but I would bet that length of
contract and financial remuneration, were two of the key factors. And so to expand further on that theory, with the possible
exception of Scowen, in January 2017 I concluded for those self same reasons, Winnall joined Wednesday, Hourihane
went to Villa and at seasons end Watkins joined Norwich. Simple theory really, but if it's not the credible explanation, why
didn't the Club negotiate extensions to their contracts.? The answer to that one is that being the shrewd man he was, Patrick knew he wouldn't be able to match what their " suitors" were prepared to offer.

 

Good post. I'd agree with most of it. We might have snuck up if we'd kept the squad together in January 17. Personally, given our results that year against top six sides, I think we'd have missed out. I don't know that for a fact. Nobody did.
If we had gone up I think we'd have struggled. PC didn't have the wealth to bankroll us up there. I know there's money washing around up there but the others have all got a share of it too.
I think PC always wanted to pass the club onto owners who could really take us onwards. We're all hopeful he was successful in that.
Maybe mistakes were made on some contracts. I'd have kept Roberts but what do I know.
What I hate is people looking to blame someone for their disappointment at us having a bad spell. Taking "facts" as they see them and hanging ridiculous conspiracy theories and vendettas on them.
As you say NO ONE knows what exactly goes on in the club.
I do know this. Regardless of our disappointing relegation BFC are in a healthier financial position than at any point in their history. It would be nice to start looking forward with optimism rather than back in rancour.

 

Stop talking sense!

 

I don't think you're wrong.

But we'll never know. If he was shrewd it was is business rather than football. Perhaps, as a businessman, he thought that the ROI on what is essentially a capital investment was too good to turn down. Perhaps he thought that, given the plan had worked so spectacularly well to get us up from League 1, there was no reason it couldn't work again. If he did hold off on offering Championship contracts in August 2016 for either of those reasons then that was a grave (if forgivable) error. But we'll never know.

Personally (and this is only a suspicion, from what I can pick up from people who seem to know more than me), January 2017 might have been unavoidable but in the summer Scowen and Roberts - at the very least - would have stayed without us having to offer them the world to do so. And I think they'd have kept us up, and very possibly helped the new players we signed to come together into something that resembled a team that could push on.

 

My opinion is that
1. We wouldn’t have even made the play offs
2. We could never have offered such as hourihane the terms to stay
3. Using the logic that we’d have smashed our wage structure to pieces, we’d currently be living way beyond our means with players like gus Mcdonald, Davies, yiadom, scowen, Roberts, Bradshaw, hammill, Watkins, bree and such like on +15k a week long term contracts and maybe george Williams, smith etc being on what is our current wage ceiling. Depending on when the contracts were offered and the agents involvement in this.

 

I don't agree that Ted said anything which isn't true about the running of the club, if you believe the information the club has released during Crynes stewardship. In most reports I saw he was said to have made loans to the club which he said would be paid back "only if we reached the Premiership". The last figures I saw were we owed him about £6m. Now we have to look at how much the club has taken in transfer fees since John Stones was transferred and the pitances we paid to bring League 1 and 2 players in to the club. The money from the Stones deal would have paid Cryne back with interest so what about the other transfer money. Reports say the Club was sold for £20m now where would that go, not to the club, and the Crynes still own 20% of it plus 50% of Oakwell and the land holdings. Before Cryne took over our club was said to own more land than Arsenal. I don't know if that is true but this was reported in the press. So just looking at the figures I have quoted Cryne would have made much more out of the club than he put in to it. Pat took his eye off the ball and who can blame him but at the end of the day he was the man in charge. There's still a question of who bankrolled AFC Barnsley? You can work that one out yourselves.

 

The other thing of course is that a lot of people wanted the above to happen whilst paying £200 for their season tickets

 

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