The WORST......and the BEST season in my lifetime

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  1. Jul

    Julian Broddle's Perm Well-Known Member

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    I heard him summed up by an angry Reds fan storming out of Pride Park on Sunday;
    "F**king sack that useless lovely person! Mourinho's w@nk sock is all he is!!"
    Maybe he ought to stick that on his CV in future.
     
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    You shouldn’t lie on your cv though. A **** sock has a use and a purpose.
     
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    I agree with some of the stuff you say recently in relation to the new owners. It's early days and a lot to prove yet but these are tremendously exciting times.
    But they did drop a huge clanger. The first thing I did was check wiki when he was announced. Same as everyone else as no one had heard of him. I was immediately concerned as were many others. His managerial record was terrible. Terrible. Shocking lack of longevity anywhere and apart from a spell in Tunisia a rotten record of results.
    Being a coach can cover a multitude of things at big clubs. Being a coach is no proof you can manage players or make big decisions. We might as well have offered the job to Nathan Winder.
    When I looked at wiki I just crossed my fingers and hoped those doing the recruiting knew of something that wasn't demonstrated in his record. That there was an unseen explanation to his lack of qualifications on paper. It turns out there wasn't.
     
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    I keep reading this every day. Repeated over and over again. How a quick search will show what a terrible manager he is. So tonight I gave it a go, but I must be using Google wrong. I can find very little about his managerial career.

    There's wiki
    https://tinyurl.com/ycsvfpum

    Which lists a plethora of clubs he has managed, but only gives stats of 4 of them before us. At those 4 he'd won 31 games and lost 19, which seems pretty decent to me.

    Then there's
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-morais/stationen/trainer/434/plus/1

    Which, again, doesn't show all his stats, but, again, shows he won more games than he lost.

    One thing that stands out is the number of clubs he has managed for a short period, but it doesn't look like he was sacked for terrible results at most of those. Maybe he was, but I can't deduce that from what I'm seeing. It looks more like he's been a 'go to' when a club has needed an interim manager, but he hasn't fancied the permanent position. The stats certainly beg questions, but they don't prove to me he's a terrible manager. I'm not trying to defend him, I think he's the worst manager we've ever had.

    If anyone can point me in the direction of a more detailed breakdown of his managerial career I'd be interested to read it. I'm guessing there must be one as it's referred to so often. I'm just struggling finding it.
     
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    My issue when he was appointed was that his win percentage seemed to be skewed by his stats in the Tunisian and Saudi leagues. Whether the clubs he managed there were expected to be winning most matches, or whether he took the Tunisian equivalent of Burnley on a dream run I have no idea, but the fact remained that as soon as he started managing in any of Europe's serious leagues such as Turkey or Greece, he didn't win very many football matches. Three wins from 14 games for AEK Athens was something that set the alarm bells ringing. Okay, he drew a lot but imagine a manager achieving similar stats with Rangers, or CSKA Moscow in the Russian league. It would not be deemed as good.
     
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    I come from a position of having absolutely no idea how the Greek and Turkish clubs were doing before his arrival. Usually a manager is brought in because the previous incumbent wasn't doing very well! I can see that neither record is great, but neither are they disastrous. It's middlin. I know AEK are traditionally a big club, but I don't know what affect the financial crisis has had over there. And even traditionally big clubs, like Rangers, can fall on very lean times. Maybe he put a stop to the slide. Maybe he prevented relegation. Or maybe he turned a winning side into a mediocre one, I really don't know. Had he achieved the same points per game with us as he did with either of those teams, we would have stayed up.
     
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    Almost agree except my best was 1978/79 - Clarkes first season - it was the first season we were any good in my first 8 years of watching us. I didnt see us much in 81/82 as it was my first year at uni so only got to occasional games so I cant put it up there right at the top - Season before when we were runners up in the 3rd division was pretty good though.
    With you on the worst seasons - I might have also said 71/72 was pretty bad too when we got relegated to the 4th division playing football that made this seasons team look like Brazil.
    This season is not close to either best or worst for me
     
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    All fair points. I've just been having a closer look and interestingly AEK suffered a Rangers-style meltdown about ten years ago. They sacked Morais when 7th in the league, and recovered to finish 4th and quality for Europe. Sounds like his performance in Turkey was reasonable enough though, as Antalyaspor were in their first season back in the top division after promotion. They did however finish 5th the season after he left, four places higher. Make of all of that what you will!
     
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    He wasn’t the assistant manager was he? He was further down in the pecking order, one of many coaches employed by top clubs
     
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    You can’t have spoke to many people
     
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    He didnt speak to me - I wasnt convinced at any point that the club had made the right decision to appoint him. I was prepared to give him support but I'd rather we went for someone like Jack Ross or at the time Darren Moore - both those ships have sailed now though
     
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    Looks like there’s a lot of dissecting of Morais going on.
    Main point is that we were told that he was second in command to Morenho at Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter Milan and that he spoke several languages.

    All of this pointed to what I suspected about the new owners - that they wanted a well known name with a good background so they could use that to attract young players from the continent.
    And when those players arrived they had a manager that could make them feel more at home by speaking their language.
    We couldn’t get that sort of appeal with an English manager such as Hecky.

    Its looking as though our scouting network is more developed on the continent than it is in Britain.
    That’s why I believe the next manager will not be British.

    Jose Morais ticked all the right boxes.
    Unfortunately Morais didn’t understand the Championship and the players he inherited.
    I can understand why the directors appointed him - but they have to seriously consider how a manager can cope with English lower leagues.

    So there lies a conundrum for the owners.
    They need a manager that can get the best out of 1st Division players while at the same time have a manager that can attract players from the continent.

    Or do they spilt this role?
    Have a proven English manager - while having someone at the club who is a well know player or coach from the continent.
     
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    When I looked at his stats the best showing was with Esperance in Tunisia. They've won their league 13 times in the last 18 years. Any of us could do well there.
    Al Shabab....he stayed seven games and they're one of Saudi Arabia's biggest clubs
    Antalyaspor - middling Turkish club - nine wins and twelve defeats and stayed the full 28 games. He must have lost his passport.
    AEK Athens - one of the big three in Greece, won three drew eight lost three and that was his lot there too.

    How that translated into someone who was likely to come in and keep us up I'll never know. He must have had one hell of an interview.
     

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