Brexit means Brexit

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  1. Xer

    Xerxes Well-Known Member

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    I understood from Cameron when he was discussing what Leave meant, was that we’d leave the EU, the single Market and the Customs Union.

    I voted to join the EEC, but voted to leave the EU. I disliked what the EU had become, and the fact that it had become more of an unelected political entity than a trading block. I also considered it was unreformable, and we would be better trading with WHO rules. Having seen the antics of the EU bureaucrats supposedly negotiating, I am convinced I was correct in my vote to Leave.
     
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    aye, and non legally binding advisory referendum means, wait for it..... non legally binding advisory referendum.

    If the Gov had wanted it to be legally binding, they could have - though leave would have required a supermajority.

    If you don't like it, etc etc ad nauseum
     
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    Me too it appeals to the bellend part of my character.
     
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    Obviously we have differing views re brexit, but I respect that you made a decision based on your view of the EU and its structures.

    I'm not entirely sure what the EU have done that's underhand in their negotiating though. Much of their comments have been simple truths or confusions with what we've asked for. They've been highly transparent and outlined their stances, preparing huge bundles of detail for our negotiating team to review. Its been voted on by all 27 nations and that is their stance. Until just a few months ago, we didn't have an in house legal counsel in place to control the legal negotiations. We also don't have an agreed cabinet position on what brexit is, and certainly no transparency on documentation stating what our position is.

    I don't hold the EU to be a shining beacon of purity by any means, but I think they've put us to shame in terms of preparedness and haven't gotten involved in tory style politics whereby David Davis thought he could pick off member states and cause internal rifts.

    I've pretty much started off this whole thing accepting that we couldn't possibly expect to get a better deal with the EU than we can while we're a member. That's just common sense. I can't think of a single aspect of business or membership structures where you get much more by not being a member, than if you are one. I don't see antics simply stating we cant have better than what existing members get.

    Until we start to get serious and putting forward detailed solutions and accepting the best case scenario is worse than what we currently have, then this process is going to be logjammed.
     
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    Totally correct my friend, as did I.
     
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    Sestren Well-Known Member

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    I can't remember ever seeing a post from you, to anybody, that didn't have a distinct undertone of nastiness. It's patently ridiculous to pretend that you're a lovely guy who only ever rises to people who insult him first. Every single post you make paints you as unpleasant, and the majority of them also make it clear that you're a bigot.
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    I haven't got that but I know what you mean.
     
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    [QUOTE
    I'm not entirely sure what the EU have done that's underhand in their negotiating though. Much of their comments have been simple truths or confusions with what we've asked for. They've been highly transparent and outlined their stances

    I'm not having a go at you when I say this but that's not entirely correct....Barnier & Juncker have been absolutely clear that there must be " no raisin pecking"...and yet only last month Barnier made a statement that he wanted continued access to UK fishing grounds for EU trawlers...he can't have it both ways...either there is raisin pecking...or there isn't.
    There was also much criticism in the European press of the embarrassing leakage from the previous round of talks by a senior EU official.

    I don't hold the EU to be a shining beacon of purity by any means, but I think they've put us to shame in terms of preparedness.[
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    Again ...criticism in Europe for wasting months, I can't just lay my hands on the Der Spiegel copy, but a similar, though even less critical article from the LSE blog below.

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/...s-of-brexit-but-the-eu-has-mishandled-it-too/
     
  9. Don

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    Ahhhhh one of the 'all for democracy aslong as you agree with us' brigade. I feel very sorry for you
     
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    You’re a complete and utter pollock, along with being a coward, calling me a’useless ****’ in a PM speaks volumes. Just wish I had an inckling of what you look like so I could put a mental image of you on the punchbag at my boxing gym. Second thoughts though, nar, you’re not worth the energy of the thought let alone the physical aspect.
     
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    I think they can't believe how we could be so idiotic as to vote the way we have. Self harm to satisfy false yearning for a golden age that never existed. Putting a polite construction on it, only a matter of time before the demographic changes and we return to what is in our national interest.
     
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    Every single one jeez you’ve a right issue
     
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    Look at my pic ,bring cricket with you too
    Coward nar , I m over at Beverley for cheddite challenge pop down we’ll have a chat soft lad, my pics up there for you
     
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    what part of non legally binding didn't you understand?
     
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    You were mistaken.
     
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    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    The paper May is putting out tomorrow pulls the rug from under the hard brexiteers. They have helpfully remained inside while the pen was built around them.
     
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    Really wouldnt surprise me if this paper is full of vacuous platitudes and nebulous statements.
     
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    In my case, this part taken from HM Government's leaflet to voters.

    " The referendum on Thursday 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union."
    "This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide""
    Doesn't make the slightest mention of non binding ( although I accept the legal argument)....in fact I don't remember anyone talking about non binding until Remain had lost.
     
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    A racing certainty, but it will contain a backstop NI plan without time limit. That will be enough to singe the Mogg's underpants.
     
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    Parliament cannot bind it's successors. Nor can a government.
     

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