[Official Site] Coaching Staff Appointed!

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  1. icer

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    ah ha, a new set of targets to complain about
     
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    A large amount of germans speak english so I would be surprised if he didn't.
     
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    These guys were educated in the best Coaching Scheme in the World. They will have much more coaching experience than what you can find listed for them on Goggle. The Germans know how to educate coaches. There is no "he has been a World Class player so he must know his stuff" in Germany. They have to work their way through the system and get no favoritism which a "Name" would get in this inward looking tiny little Island of ours.
     
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    You're missing the point.
     
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    Do you think Jay, of all people, makes targets?

    Its a valid challenge and Jay is probably the one person on this page that doesn't post emotive nonsense.
     
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    He was born in East Germany though and schooled in the eastern bloc, where English wasn't a second language.
     
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    Whilst Stendel isn't fluent, both Winkler & stern are, so assume they will do any required translating in the mean time.

    Pochettino used a translator whilst at Southampton , and performed above expectations, so I can't see any reason why this should hamper us either.
     
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    I think you may find that every now and then he does.

    Like we all sometimes do after a jar or two.
     
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    Ok I’ll rephrase it, Jay is about as balanced in his views as anybody, and he’s definitely not one to start a witch hunt, which was the assumption in the above post.
     
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    They lost the right to blind faith when they appointed Morais.
     
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    It’s also circa 28 years since the GDR became part of the FRG to form a reunited German nation. Irrespective of whether growing up English wasn’t his second language I would be incredibly surprised if he isn’t proficient. That being said, his two assistants are ‘fluent’ and it looks like he’ll be retaining the rest of the backroom staff. I read an interview today where he states that he has already had a conversation with Hassell so unless Hassell speaks German then I imagine that Stendel can converse in English, even if he doesn’t consider himself fluent, as such.
     
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    I don't make assumptions. He's having English lessons according to the Chronicle.
     
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    Big difference between blind faith and fair judgement. The judge a coach's ability before he has even started and with other little evidence to go off, strikes me as a tad unfair.
     
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    Genuine question for anyone in any job responsible for hiring people.

    Would you employ someone into a management position who doesn't have sufficient grasp of the language of their employees? Ignoring the fact that the role is about coaching & developing those people to be better at their jobs?

    PS - before anyone gives it the get behind him, I am. But I worry the fella isn't being set up to succeed IMHO.
     
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    Nope , but saying that recruiting football managers/coaches seems to be a unique skill with a total lack of any logic involved .
     
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    The role of a manager or head coach is a completely different beast to the vast majority of other management positions. I recall Poch, Conte and Pellegrini didn’t speak English when they arrived in the Premier League, they extensively used interpreters, at least initially anyway.

    You wouldn’t see anyone employed in my workplace who couldn’t speak and understand English but then as I say it’s a completely different field.

    I’m looking forward to listening to an actual interview because I’ll be flabbergasted if Stendel doesn’t speak English, to a greater or lesser extent.
     
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    Rot-Weiss Essen were the first German club to qualify for the European Cup! Although not as successful since, and are slowly recovering from liquidation and relegation in 2010. They have a 20,000+ capacity stadium and get crowds of 6-7,000. This all sounds quite similar to a League Two side - would you have the same objections if we recruited someone with similar experience from Coventry City perhaps?

    Winkler has a Fussballlehrer licence - so is a qualified coach, and presumably Stendel knows him from his past and liked what he saw.

    Stern came up through the youth ranks under Stendel, so he knows him and maybe he was one of those players that you can tell would make a good coach?
     
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    Understand, but you make exceptions for exceptional talent with a proven track record of success & in squads with lots of none English speakers. He may turn out to be exceptional but as ever it adds to the list of why it is a risk.

    And remember, our Head Coaches job is to make his team & players better. Probably is possible without the lingo but it makes it a load harder, surely?
     
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    It’s a potential barrier to success I suppose in terms of being grossly inefficient but I do wonder if this language issue is being overplayed as a lot seem to think that he doesn’t speak or understand a word of the Queen’s. If that’s the case then of course he’s heavily reliant on his assistants but I really doubt that’s the case. I read an article in a German publication which discussed him having English lessons for months now. I know plenty of people on the continent who didn’t class themselves as fluent and had English lessons to improve despite having an excellent grasp of the English language, it appeared to be a confidence thing for them brought on by the varying English accents.
     
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    You'll not take any notice will you. From the Chronicle:

    "Whilst Stendel's English is believed to be poor, his assistant Andreas Winkler and first team coach Christopher Stern are fluent and will be able to translate in the short-term until Stendel is fully up to speed. His role will officially begin on July 1".
     
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    Thanks for that. So he does speak English then, to a lesser extent. I’m sure he’ll be up to speed and able to fully understand the jibes from the crowd in next to no time.
     

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