Democracy? - "Upskirting law" blocked by one MP

I’d agree the process needs improving when one man and his dog can block an important bill.
As for an elected chamber I’m not so sure tbh.
Firstly it’ll mirror the commons as in which party is in favour .
It needs to be done as bills get passed on merit rather than party instructions how you get that I don’t know but just elections isn’t the answer imo

 

Its no different to how a kid can end up on the sex offenders register for distributing child pornography.
Personally I think its actually WORSE for a 14 year old boy to take one of these pictures of a girl in his school than it is fir a man to take a picture of a woman in a club or in a shopping centre. Both are awful but at least with the adult there's only a tiny chance they would find out about it so in effect it wouldn't harm them. If a boy takes one of a girl in his school then he knows the victim and I guarantee he's sharing it with all his friends who also know the victim. The impact it has on her could be life destroying. As JamDrop says if he knows the law then tough **** basically.

And just for clarification I am not attempting to downplay anything by saying 'it wouldn't harm them'. It's a disgusting crime and I can't think for one second why anyone would do it

 

My only question is, would a person be put on a sex offenders list for lifting up a random girls skirt? It’s obviously an assault, but I’m pretty sure that kids at school aren’t put on a register for doing it? Or are they? They are a similar offence. However, not putting on a register is only protecting the pervert/idiot.

I do think the mp is a *****, but the transcript of his 4 hours may shed light on the reasons behind his opinion counting for so much .

 

No idea Dave. My only thought was if a young lad/lass did it. (Under 18) They should be punished - community service or something similar, with a one-day course on why you shouldn’t do it etc.

After that, then there’s no excuse. Having a generation of kids come through on the sex offenders list for something daft they did as a young child at school is worrying.

Obviously if the crime was of a more serious nature, such as rape or physical sexual assault, then that’s a totally different thing.

 

The MP who wrote the bill talked on BBC Breakfast this morning, she said there would be provision in the law for the difference between schoolkids and adults doing it.

Yet again, a Tory MP standing in the way of progress.

 

Thought there must be. Good to hear. Like I said, I’ve not really read much about it other than there were some concerns.

Has he actually confirmed why he’s objected yet?

 

There's a bit more on it here that explains why they talked for so long. No surprise the Shipley MP is one of the two who did it. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mps-philip-davies-sir-12715459

 

I quite like the idea of the runner-up in each constituency going into the second chamber. Each area gets two representatives, and it should help to moderate the wilder excesses of the government of the time.

 

So, basically, they are just wasting everyone's time and costing the taxpayer more money.

 

People on Twitter are emailing Christopher Chope and Phillip Davies to ask them to explain their actions. Here's the reply they all got from the utter ******* that is Phillip Davies:



He's the MP for my school's constituency and my female line manager at election time said she and everyone she knows hates him and that he is horrible to women, and then followed it up with that she was still voting for him though.

 

I thought something similar - every general election there are two ballot papers.

One ballot paper has peoples names - no political party - this person becomes the MP for the area.

One ballot paper has political parties.

The house of commons is made up of MP's who we voted for as individuals.

The new second chamber is proportionately made up of people nominated by the political parties - a bit like the house of lords is now - so we don't loose the best and most capable politicians "accidentally"

the govt is made up from both chambers but only the MP's get to vote on legislation.

Something like this might get me back into to voting rather than writing expletives on my ballot paper again.

 

I heard about this on the news this morning , now I don't think I'm some kind of hermit or socially naive but id never even heard of this upskirt thingy . So let me get this right some weirdo blokes are laying on their backs in pubs taking pictures of women's knickers ? . That's simply ******* weird .

 

It can be anything from that to holding out their mobile and taking a photo while going up an escalator with a woman in front of them. Some have been known put a phone or camera in a bag and place the bag on the floor or just get close to a woman in a dress so the bag goes in the wrong place. I've read about some weirdo who was banned from asda for hiding a camera in his shoe.

Genuinely don't understand what there is to gain personally

 

What the fck goes through these fcking knuckle dragging fcks minds who would want to do this sort of thing?

 

what the chuff !! I've never heard owt as weird . The MP that 'objected' needs to have a word with himself .

 

He objected purely because he likes objecting to things
Its what he does, he even refers to it in an interview after being given a knighthood. Quite honestly he should have his knighthood revoked and be removed from his position as MP as he exists solely to disrupt our political system and his aim in office is to cost the tax payer money. He's also an expenses fraudster

 

He and other backbench Tories use these tactics to thwart what they perceive to be PC nanny state private members’ bills.

Until they change parliamentary procedures they will continue to have the power to block bills which otherwise would go through on the nod.

I’ve prosecuted a few of these cases - it is considered be conduct capable of outraging public decency, a common law offence as opposed to statute. The evidence is usually on the phone of the offender and they either plead guilty or are convicted. Often men of previous good character for who the fact and nature of the conviction is devastating in terms of job/family repercussions.

On balance probably worth enacting a specific offence in my view, not least owing to its prevalence, advances in technology which facilitate its commission and the fact that some of the images end up on internet porn sites.

Do bear in mind though that is already criminal conduct and regularly prosecuted.

 

on balance I think a statutory offence with the proposed sentence of 14 months in jail and being put on the sex offenders register along with rapists and peodophiles is a bit much for aunty doreen who's had a few too many gins and took a photo up the kilt of the piper at our sharons wedding.