Exactly. Our so called supporters shock me - they are so eager to stick the boot in our own players FFS. We still have thicko’s talking about recouping the money so we have a bit of money to buy other players - have these foookers not seen the news - Patrick Cryne is dead and we have new very wealthy owners!?!?!?!?!?!?! Only reason to sell now is if this player doesn’t meet the managers plans - OR - ridiculous money is offered.
It's pretty straight forward. If you insert a relegation clause into a players contract meaning they will have a significant drop in income, that player is going to insist on a release clause. I like Moore for his effort, but I can't see how he fits with fast paced, high tempo, quick thinking football if that's the route we're to progress in. I know some of our fans have always appreciated a big lad, I just prefer speed, quick thinking and skill. I'm not using this to beat Moore up, but if he'd taken just 1 of the 3 or 4 gilt edged chances in various games (Ipswich and Leeds being most memorable), we'd have stayed up (though I still think we deserved the drop).
Agree with a lot of your post , but we went down because the whole team was not good enough but whilst I agree that Moore missed some gobbers but he will always miss some because he gets on the end of everything , some strikers do not miss as many, simply because if you do not get on the end of things you cannot miss , its easy looking busy without an end product, at least Moore gets there & is prepared to miss but eventually he will net
There are many reasons we went down, and despite not being good enough, some poor recruiting, poor coaching, poor tactics and management, poor performances and the rest.... we still would have stayed up if Moore had taken a couple of the terrible sitters. As said before, I like the guy, can't fault his efforts and the handful he can prove to be. Personally I'd cash in and look to set up for the fast paced style we've always enjoyed. To do that i'd sacrifice someone who is a handful for pace and craft.
Hopefully true. And if it is true then we should not be selling for less than 4 million. Not because I think he is that good but because that is the market we live in currently. If Posh can ask for 4/5 million for Marriot who has never scored above league 1 then we can surely demand similar for Kieffer.
His goals could get us promoted and boost our budget by around six million for the season after next. So four million sounds about right if we were to sell him. Clubs are bidding 12 million for David Brooks so that shows how mental the market is.
Market is truly fooked at moment. I would hope the board will put their foot down and demand around 4 million for him as he still has 3 years left on his contract and he has proved he can score goals in this league. If they are serious about the target of automatic promotion then we need to keep hold of our better players the best we can unless teams are bidding silly money for them.
But who they got that info off? David Moyes got it out to the media he’d only paid a million for John Stones thing is with undisclosed it’s all speculation
Moores record of 13 goals from 21 appearances with Rotherham in division one is enough evidence to surely keep him , if you are looking to replace him with someone who is pacey I understand your view but to buy a player who can top his record is going to cost a lot of candy & to be honest, as is Moore , that player would be a target for Championship clubs
Deedars stirring the pot. If Moore were a Wednesday player, there'd be tenuous links with Premiership clubs, no release clause, and at least £10million being quoted.
It all depends what clubs are in for a player. No detriment to Rotherham, but they are not going to pay £4 million for anyone. Be surprised if they paid over a million TBH. If Bolton come in, we may get nearer £2 million, depending what the release clause is (if it does exist).
If we're going to play pressing, can he be fit enough? In the games I saw, by the last 3rd (though most players were to be fair), he was static and just having it hoofed to him. He scored for Rotherham, but if our style doesn't suit his, then the best thing is to get the right fee for him and replace with the sort of player that will fit the system. Moore is going to suit a hoofball team. Millwall would be perfect for him.
I will close on this one because we obviously do not agree , he did tire in games last season but he was stepping up in class & the pace of the game is quicker in the championship but most of the time he was on his own with the support players being out wide , to me , division one is littered with big lumps of defenders & we need a physical player like Moore to compete , but the crux of the matter is getting a striker who will deliver the goals & if Moore stays fit I do not think there will be many strikers of any size, pace or whatever that will score more than him in this division , we have a proven goal scorer at this level , why gamble ?
I think the way you destroy lumps of defenders is speed. I loved the partnership between Payton and Liddell with their quick turns, stepovers and clever runs. I've often thought that the moment you have a big lump up front, you immediately give an easy option to defenders to go back to front quickly. O'Grady was a prime example. The Kennedy left wing hoof to O'Grady squatting wide was turgid stuff. O'Grady did fabulously well and had a clever turn on him. I still wouldn't want to be watching that garbage every week and that's what I fear we'd do with an immobile target man upfront. Agree that Moore was always isolated and mentioned it numerous times with no midfield support and the rest of the front three with chalk on their boots. I'm sure he'd get more support if playing through midfield and being less direct, but then he may well be needed to run channels and move more to allow space for others. I'm not sure that's his game. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind keeping him, but only if it meant we didn't resort to hoofball and he could shape his game to movement as well as a target man