All these remoaners

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  1. tingleytyke

    tingleytyke Well-Known Member

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    I’m confused. You must mean export the brexiteers to Australia then hand back the country to the EC.

    It was brexiteers that voted to take the county back.
     
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    They never actually specified which country they'd take back. Just that they would take back control. Perhaps they meant the USA, or maybe another of the former colonies - Ceylon, Siam or Rhodesia perhaps?
     
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    Take back Pangaea
     
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    The thing that makes absolutely no sense is the concept of a verdict has been delivered, no matter what, the will of the people, blah blah.

    More information has been shared, sought and understood in the last 2 years than was in the few weeks prior to the referendum. We've seen impacts on markets, currencies, habits, movement, jobs and the economy.

    That in itself is so valuable to then take a position to ratify a huge decision.

    Imagine this was a business (and in effect, an economy is, just on a massive scale), and having made a decision, it then started to see sales fall, markets dry up and potentially huge costs of investment to replace what previously existed.

    I don't know many businesses who wouldn't at least question the decision it made and ask if it was the right way forward, 2 years down the line with much more intelligence gathered. With the stance America is taking under its somehow elected psychopath, the safest place seems to be within a larger trading block that can counter sanctions and tariffs in a trade war. With the increasingly aggressive stance Russia is taking, in particular against the UK, it feels safer being in a larger area that can assist, should we need it.

    With all these factors, its incompetent not to review the landscape of leaving the EU and putting a final vote to the people.

    It's not about overturning something, its simply a case of saying, with everything you now know, are you absolutely sure?

    Any argument against is merely to try and retain an entrenched position, not one of rational thought.
     
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    It's only a matter of time before someone comes up with the slogan MAKE ENGLAND GREAT AGAIN.
    MEGA.
    I might have a bulk order of a million red baseball hats made up to sell to the Trump base wannabees over here.
     
  6. Sco

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    It never has been a position of rational thought, for the majority its purely emotional.
     
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    Based on ignorance
     
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    If the EU declared war on russia for say being over aggressive in the Ukraine as an example would you be happy for the Brussells crew to order UK troops into conflict essentially bypassing Nato?
     
  9. Dan

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    The EU couldn't declare war. The EU is a block that covers trade and monetary union for some or all of its members. Sovereign states would all have to declare war. And obviously that's not going to happen.

    Maybe you should look up what the EU can and can't do, and maybe stay away from the Daily Mail for a bit.
     
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    I see one of the stalwarts of brexit as gone missing he said he would lay down in front of the bulldoze'rs if they try and build a new runway at Heathrow, **** ed off just in time for the vote, just shows the Baffon for what he is.
     
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    Ironically, Boris is one of those immigrants that the hardline Leavers should be wanting removed - he was born in New York and had dual citizenship with Turkish ancestry.

    How many of the stalwarts for Brexit have faces built for punching? Gove, Farage, Johnson, IDS, all eminently punchable. Maybe I should go into business selling a range of Brexiteer punchbag covers....
     
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    Leave or Remain - in 12 months the EU will be finished!
     
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    If we go into partnership with me selling the MEGA hats we'd have the whole market covered. :)
     
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    Really hope not. The resulting global recession will make the credit crunch look like a boom time.

    Someone commented on another board a few weeks ago that we appear to be hearing the early stages of the concerto that usually ends with a world war. I'm not normally so pessimistic, but when you consider the following:

    The global rise in far right politics
    The President of the USA appearing 8 of the 10 steps on the way to fascism
    Lots of gung-ho nationalism and isolationism
    Many other events worldwide similar to those leading up to WWI and WWII (and earlier mass conflicts).
    The rampant pleonexia of our own leadership

    If it continues much further I might be volunteering for one of the one-way missions to Mars.
     
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    I must admit, there have been instances of late where my thoughts have lingered over the notion that the increasing hate, vitriol and division occurring not just between nations, but within them, could lead to something very dangerous.

    I've visited a number of Eastern block countries and it never fails to stagger me of the depths people can go to in order to follow someone elses ideal and the damage and pain people had to endure for no reason at all. I still recall visiting Auschwitz several years ago and having seen pure evil at first hand, thinking to myself, how could this ever have happened, and surely it couldn't happen again in my life time.

    The EU is so important in many more ways than just money and trade. I so desperately hope we never have to learn that lesson again at close quarters.
     
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    You only have to look at what's happening in America to realise just what a good 30% of the population are prepared to believe and go along with to understand how dangerous the current times can get.
    The ability to block out clear facts and portray them as fake news is genuinely disturbing. There is a significant proportion of the world's population that is willing to ignore truth in order to have their own narrative and prejudices unchallenged.
    The only thing I can put it down to in most cases is a flawed education leading to a complete inability to think critically and to research a subject. That's not in all cases but in many...jeez it's scary.
     
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    I think there are a number of more complex issues that all have an impact. I read Nick Cleggs biography in September and it had some interesting insights. One of his notions was that the more social media enables communication and personal preference, the more we zone out to other points of view and the less room for debate can occur. A creation of personal bubbles, focussed purely on our preferences and nothing more. In such an instance, facts don't lead choice and opinion, but opinion can be fuelled by finding "facts" to fit.

    Combine that with floods of misinformation and the replication and sharing of misinformation and you have self fulfilling propaganda machines that are unmanaged and unrewarded and frighteningly instant.

    Add to that the purposeful misinformation and enforced spin by faction political groups within parties and there is plenty of fuel to feed most viewpoints, should the individual crave it.
     
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    This is the problem right there. I'm sorry, I've tried to avoid being inflammatory, but it is ignorant of the facts to suggest that the EU can declare war on anybody. How do you try and have a rational debate when faced with this sort of nonsense.
    NATO possibly could declare war as a block (if member states agreed), or are you suggesting we pull out of that organisation as well. The EU could declare a trade war, but as has been pointed out on here numerous times our chances of winning one are immeasurably increased by being in a block of 600M consumers than on our own as the UK.

    Getting to the point now where part of me thinks... you know what f**k em, let it happen. The part of the country I now work in will probably be fine, Brexit or no Brexit. Go and sit in your house, wrap yourself up in the union jack, and laugh at the world (as it moves off into the future, leaving you behind). Take control (of yours and your neighbour's poverty). Look out of your window & smile at the homogeneous people pass by (on their way to the food bank). I sincerely doubt that even at that point you'll admit to yourself that maybe you let emotions get the better of you, and that maybe you should have used some common sense instead. Not sure your kids will thank you for it.
     
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    So still no answers then?
     
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    The headline doesn’t reflect the analysis here which says that the world economy is slowing and that ‘In 2018-19 the government appears to be ramping austerity up again as it seeks to close its budget deficit despite a new promise to spend more on the health service. Britain seems to be trapped in a period of low growth. And Brexit has not even happened yet.’

    The economy has slowed to a standstill, largely because of Brexit
    https://www.economist.com/britain/2...wed-to-a-standstill-largely-because-of-brexit
     

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