All these remoaners

So the upshot was, the deal with Canada happened?

 

And it wasn't one that screwed the Walloons as they got some compensation.

Bet the UK gov would happily screw over many of our regions.

 

Because we shall be able to engineer our own trade deals without having the bureaucratic EU infrastructure.

 

Errmm, you don't perceive a teensy weensy bit of inequality of bargaining power?

 

12,765,322 And I’ll start to consider it....

but what if it doesn’t? Or even creates jobs? Would you be willing to still talk about the doom of what happens?

Markets are built upon confidence. The confidence is part of the issue with the brexit figures. This is due in part to people like yourself and certain national press forecasting the impending doom. Makes a good story and some people are getting very rich in the surrounding speculation. IMO anyway, sunshine and football calls... let’s leave this thread be.

 

So you really believe EU migrants don't get social housing and welfare payments, you should go and talk to the Romanian community in Sheffield.

 

The answer you seemingly seek is in the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph.

 

I see the latest inference (only just seen fleeting comment about it) is that Farage knew the polling figures and that leave was due to win at the point of conceding.... meaning various of his donors made considerable sums betting on the outcome.

And confidence is indeed part of economics.... as are very simple supply and demand concepts.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international...could-spell-the-end-for-merkel-a-1214503.html

This Der Spiegel article from a couple of days ago suggests her time might be up.

 

Seems very opinion based by "Der Spiegl staff", nobody even taken credit for being the journalist. I cant say I read Der Spiegl to know its owners and how it leans.

 

Or to pose a question for you....how much sovereignty and self determination should be lost before you think Remaining was a mistake?

 

Nice. Have you got some cammos and a well stocked shelter for when the deep state come after you?

 

Why is "sovereignty" important? Do you believe we, the people have that right now? Do you think our views are represented and acted upon? Do you think the voting system is representative? Do you trust our MPs who lie repeatedly, and have zero transparency and continue to serve theirs and their families and friends self interests, whether through meetings or actions?

I'd lose it all. In a heartbeat, because its a complete illusion. I trust the EU to make better decisions as a soon to be 27, than our governments who have a single purpose, to cling onto power. It drives all their decisions, to serve the people is secondary. The DUP alliance is proof of what is most important to a sitting party.

The EU may have its own ideologies, any group or institution is going to. I just don't get hung up on who makes the decisions. Instead i look at outcomes, and I don't see anything the EU has done that causes my blood to boil.

Our governments time and again have made dreadful choices. Why do they deserve unopposed sovereignty to do what they like when they like?

 

It matters not to me where the laws and decisions are taken as long as I can vote to elect my representative.

Sovereignty comes from the sovereign - an unelected, hereditary ruler of the country like our old kings and queens. None of them had any compunction about crapping on our ilk at any opportunity.

 

I respect your opinion....I totally disagree though.
Seeing economic Migrants dying in the Meditteranean...because Merkel was oblivious to the consequences of tacit encouragement.....Dumping thousands of tons of good fish for a flawed fishing policy...forcing countries to vote again when they give the 'wrong' answer...treating the Greeks in such a fashion...(read some Yanis Varoufakis comments to hear of the disdain they were treated)...these are some of the things that make my blood boil.
Whilst I am critical of our own Govt...unlike you I do not trust The EU to make any decisions in our national interest if that should conflict with EU political interest.

 

well it should matter,we have 70 odd meps who face nothing like the scrutiny that the 650odd mp's in westminster face,laws and decisions are passed in europe and the first most of us hear about it is when they are in place,how many people do you know who even have the slightest idea what that lot in the eu parliament are discussing?..at least that lot we have in westminster make headline news...oh and we are a sovereign nation whether you like it or not..I personally dont give a toss about unelected kings and queens cos they have **** bearing on our lives,but i do give a toss about 26 other countries representatives having any influence whatsoever on the way this country is run.

 

What does that mean exactly. In what way could we structure them differently. Do you have some specifics or i this just a leap of faith?

 

what you mean is you dont get hung up on decisions you agree with and if you think our self serving politicians are any different to the role models in the eu parliament then you are mistaken...oh and you are right the eu does have it own ideologies it just that at 27 year old you are still a young and know no different,brought up in an era where the majority of westminster believe we are better off in the eu than out of it,you know those same politicians who you see as having no purpose than to just cling to power.,its ironic that the majority of them agree with you...i really am intrigued as to why on earth you think the eu lot would be more trusting than our lot...

 

Health care is free for all EU citizens living in greece so let's cross that off. The welfare system is different to ours, but most are. I do believe unemployment benefit is paid for 3 months. There aren't many if any countries in the world that have such a generous welfare system as ours. There are many EU migrants in greece. The majority in the area where my parents live are Bulgarian. There are lots of Albanian's too (not in the EU but migrants nonetheless). The Albanian's work hard ,they are excellent stone-masons. Lot's of non-greeks from the balkans work in the tourist industry in low paid positions. Lot's of similarities really.