Smart meters

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  1. Redstone

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    Only mop we have we use on the kitchen floor lol so you would have to explain. I can't recall who I was with at the times as I change all the time but I clearly remember having the conversation of between 7 and 7 on two occasions. My reply on both occasions was "Well I might be in"
     
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    A meter operator
     
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    As "oppose an dc who will retrieve the data and pass it to yhe supplier and dno via the dtc
     
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    It's always been the case, that the cheapest kilowatts of energy, be it electricity or gas, are the one's you
    don't use. For many years now, a site deemed to be a large consumer viz: circa £12k per annum was fitted
    with a Code of Practice 5 meter or a half hourly meter as it became known. That permitted the network provider
    to dial up a modem fitted inside the meter at midnight each day to download the consumption in half hourly tranches.
    Basically that technology is now being employed in the domestic market ( you and me) for gas, electricity and water.
    The meter shows what you are using in real time, thus enabling you to make savings by not leaving appliances on
    standby, not filling a kettle to the brim every time you boil it re- by making informed choices.
    The plus point for the consumer, is you only pay for what you use, whereas under the method previously employed,
    unless you phoned in your own readings, the regional supplier ( or shipper) is, under Industry Standards only obliged
    to actually physically read the meter every 24 months, leaving you exposed to " estimated" ( usually in their favour)
    consumption/ billing. Street Lighting is un-metered, in that it uses Photo electric controlled ( light cells) which are the little
    grey pods you can see at the top of the column. A PECU array ( Photo electric control unit array) situated on a Council building ( in Barnsley's case Smithies Depot) is populated with cells from the Council lighting stock, and as the manufacturers typical wattage and burning hours of the street lamps are known, they are able to measure the typical dawn to dusk switching regimes, hence the term " lighting up time". The Authority has to supply the Regional Electricity Supplier with a monthly inventory of all assets viz: columns, bollards, signs, pelicans, toucans, speed cameras, cctv so that they can work out typical consumptions values. As creatures of habit, you would not be surprised to know that after all these calculations are done, typically there are no wild variations in consumption from one month to another.
    As for the domestic meters, the ultimate aim will be to fit " universal" meters, because it is the District Network Operators
    job of collecting the data ( in our area, it's Northern Powergrid) after which they pass it to the supplier, who after adding in
    the DNO/Shippers distribution and transmission charges for use of systems viz: cables, pipelines re- network costs, they submit a final to the customer.
     
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    When ours was fitted they as it put us on quarterly they forgot to change it back to monthly so we got hit with a right bill.
     
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    Its dc s responsibility yo collect the data amd ss gkr the public lighting the hhdc dial smithes lane and collect the interval data your arr toghy npg do have a dc and a mop but its a very small operation based in cas

    Its the supplier s that collect the interval data
    a,via their appointed dc
     
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    Furthermore northern power grid cant add transmission charges as they dont transmit
     
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    Are you ok tyrone? Something seems to have scrambled your communications centre.
     
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    All Regional network charges are regulated by OFGEM and are published. The supplier interrogates these
    and adds them to the supply of the energy to make up the bill. The Industrial and Commercial customer has
    access to the charges so is at liberty to check the bill for accuracy. Is the MOP still in Cas Tyrone.?
    We used to deal with the former Northern Electric HQ in the North East and all our contacts at Cas were re-deployed up there.
     
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    Nope, I work for a company that helps some of the power companies with IoT solutions. Not my area of expertise but occassionally see answers to this type of question from the big brains in this area.
     
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    Yes but its a very small.operation npg made a strategic decision not to under take metering and employed yelg and the mop dc da functions
     
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    This thread is impenetrable.
     
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    Best thing we have had installed saves us a lot of money in our first reading we got a re bait of well over £100 having said that the old meter was in the house since before 1972.
     
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    I find this post racist.
     
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    Mine is really good.
     
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    Mine has certainly made me more aware of what we use daily and seasonally and without
    compromising our warmth/comfort my wife and I have been able to be more prudent in our use of energy.
    In the past, we might have popped the heating on to watch telly after tea. We invested in a couple of warm
    throws, so we pop them over our shoulders instead. It's amazing how quickly you warm up, without spending
    any brass.
     
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    On what basis
     
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    That's true Jay. The energy market from trading, transmission, right through to the point of delivery
    and the final bill appears to be quite complex. It's like anything else though, once you take the time to learn
    all the terminology and the various components that go towards getting the product to the consumer
    re- generation, trading, distribution/ transmission, metering costs, climate change levy , VAT, supplier margin
    and any other miscellaneous associated costs, it becomes easier to understand.
    The suppliers rely on the publics lack of knowledge of the market and instead of offering the best price to every
    customer, complicate the issue by offering a plethora of hard to understand tariffs that can leave some consumers
    seriously out of pocket. I was in the Industrial and Commercial side of the Energy market for thirty years, trading
    in Oil, Gas, Electricity and Coal to a value of £380 million per annum and I truly, enjoyed every minute of that time.
     
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