O/T Novichok poisoning.

With a bottle being found in the 2nd victims house I await the " scientists believe the glass bottle was made in Russia " story to unfold .

 

He certainly exists as he was part of a spy swap sometime around 2010 iirc. Had he died, I don't think it's likely anyone would have tried to cover it up, nor could they. There's absolutely no reason to assume that the poisoning of Yulia and Sergey Skripal didn't happen the way that has been reported However, with no apparent motive and no clue who the perpetrators were, it would have been wise to avoid jumping to conclusions. Even if the origin was Russia as seems likely, that doesn't mean that the attack was necessarily government-sanctioned (although it could have been). Russia's control over its weapons stocks was incredibly loose after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Almost everyone could be bought off for the right price, and many still can. If someone from within Russia's apparatus had a personal vendetta against Skripal and wanted to poison him, I don't doubt that they could have found a way.

 

Exactly. There are always going to be people whose immediate reaction is to disbelieve anything they're told (and yes, healthy cynicism is vital to all of us). However, in the main the UK government's apportioning of the blame to Russia was accepted by most governments and analysts. I'm not saying definitively it was the Russians but the general consensus is that it was. That being the case why on earth would our government then feel the need to go out and poison further people to support a claim that most people had already accepted?

 

After this second poisoning it occurred to me that we have heard precisely nothing about him since he was poisoned. His daughter was in the news and giving interviews but literally nothing has been said about him. I get that he may be subject to witness protection and is in hiding for his own protection but it's strange that the media aren't even speculating. I think they have been banned from mentioning anything about him, I don't think that every single media outlet would decide to not say anything at all about him, especially after the second poisoning. The police are now treating this second one as a murder investigation and connections keep being mentioned but they haven't said anything about going back to the Skripals for more information.

 

That's what I was thinking. I'm not sure why they would show her but not him either, surely she is under the same protection

 

The only thing I can think of if he died would be that in a propaganda war we wouldn't want to look weak

 

I tried Googling him with all sorts of key words (I'm probably on a list somewhere now!) but I couldn't find anything at all. It's weird that not a single one would mention anything about him.

 

Probably a d notice reporting restriction on the case. Its against the law to even report one exists...

 

I've just done the same thing so I'm probably on the same list as you.
I put in his name and Google gave me autocomplete suggestions of sergei skripal dead, sergei skripal died, sergei skripal really dead and skripal dead conspiracy. Which suggests theyve been searched for many times but not one single result that I can find in those searches even mentions the idea. Normally Google would be full of links to places like here with it being discussed but it seems to have been blacklisted from Google.

 

On him but not her though? It's the same case isn't it?

 

I’d rather drink a pint of novichok than sit at these ******* traffic lights that constantly box Darton in.

 

Supertyke - denies - being - a - pimp - SHOCKER

 

I’ve read a lot online about this case & either the Government are lying to us or they genuinely don’t know what they’re dealing with.

There’s lots of experts disputing the claimed drug involved & that officers aren’t following the correct procedures when handling it which would mean they’re either lying to us that it’s Novichok or there should be several officers who also fell ill.

If people search Skripal’s name, Christopher Steele, Pablo Miller & Mark Urban’s (of the BBC) names on Twitter or the web they’ll find some very interesting articles connecting the four & potential reasons why he might have been poisoned.

From what I’ve read Russia would be a distant third behind us & the US in terms of who would want to harm Skripal.

The other plausible argument is that Skripal may well be a drug addict & could’ve taken something harmful from a bad batch of drugs that wasn’t Novichok. Apparently the park they were found slumped in is well known for drug users & it seems strange that someone who’s lived in the area several years would be there.

I’d love to know the truth of it all.

There is a D notice in place on any mention of Pablo Miller, a channel 4 journalist confirmed it

 

My theory is Ukraine, arn't they at logger heads with Russia and what better than to novichok the Skripals in England, 1. Russia could have killed Surgay Skripal while he was in a Russian prison. 2. Remember when Ukraine acused Russia of killing a gernalist and then after a week or so he appeared on Ukraine T.V. to everyone's astonishment by all accounts he'd been living with Ukraine leader.

 

I think it's not a good idea to speak about "Ukraine", "Britain", "Russia" etc as if they are single entities. Certainly within the Russian apparatchiki, there are so many conflicting factions vying for control of resources, people etc, that even if the source of the poisoning was Russian, it would not be entirely accurate to just say "it was Russia". What even is "Russia" in this context? It's the biggest country in the world, home to 140 million people, an estimated 25% of which work for the state in some capacity or other.

 

Own up. It was you wasn't it

 

Nyet, blyad! Sorry, I mean no squire, of course not!

 

I don't understand how people could be willing to believe a story of British spooks murdering British citizens to further isolate a country which is already very isolated, yet find it completely implausible that it may be the work of foreign spooks with a proven track record of killing journalists and dissidents. If you're willing to believe the former then surely the latter is just as likely, if not more so.

 

But the poor dead lass was living in a hostel?


I'll wait for the OPCW investigation findings.

 

Many things are possible. I just think many people are more likely to be skeptical of the official line than they would have been 20 years ago. And with good reason.