wot - no women??

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  1. Durkar Red

    Durkar Red Well-Known Member

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    Never seen her pass it back to the keeper or make a 40 yd run straight out for a throw in but she has probably scored more goals than Spud
     
  2. Red

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    Because there is a thriving BFC Women's team and there has been for a long time women should be represented in the Hall of Fame.
     
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    You have epically managed to ignore his question whilst simultaneously saying something completely random
     
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    BBS is a thriving BFC fans forum and has been for a long time. So using your logic, some of its longstanding posters/admin bods should also be in the Hall of Fame.
     
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    My mother played for Barnsley Ladies in the 1950s. Don't know if the team was affiliated to Barnsley FC though.
     
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    Really.?.are you serious. What have they contributed to the history of Barnsley FC.(and b4 anyone thinks that's a sexist comment it ain't) If Beth continues to be a good servant to bfc 20 -30-yrs down the line there may be a case.
     
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    Lindsay Liam.
     
  8. MarioKempes

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    That would be a no then.
     
  9. Red

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    Whatever criterion are used to list those who should be included in the Hall of Fame it is unlikely a woman would feature in the top 25.
    The Club has been owned and run by men, long serving staff have been men. No woman player has come near in respect to club appearances or top goal scorer etc.
    You may take the view therefore that women can't be included in the Hall of Fame
    Or you can take the view that because a BFC Women's team has been part of the Club for a long time then women should be included in the Hall of Fame.
    The Hall of Fame is not a competitive thing. The Hall of Fame should have representation from all sections of the Club.
     
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    I work with a number of the current Barnsley FC Ladies team. I've been to watch them play. I talk to them about football. I consider some of them my friends. At work I sit next to someone who plays for Huddersfield Ladies. She's a cracking defensive midfield player. Better, at her level, than anything Barnsley have had for a long, long time. She's hard and a bit of a dirty bugger, but her positional sense is amazing, she just knows where the ball is going to be and she never misplaces a pass.

    I appreciate women's football. I am, actually, very politically correct. I believe in it, I don't think it's the scourge of modern society. I think it's been abused, but I think fundamentally it's the right way forward. I don't think anyone associated with Barnsley Ladies should be considered for entrance to the hall of fame at this point. If we can get the team out of the national league and into the championship or the super league then we can start looking at this. If we can get some players into the England squad then absolutely. If we start actually paying them and treating the team as something of value then we might start to get close. But to suggest someone from Barnsley Ladies is, at this point, more worthy of a place in the hall of fame than any number of other candidates from the men's game is... I'm struggling how to describe your logic.
     
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    So we should be adding an accountant in, a physio, a turnstile operator etc?
    Or is it just a physical thing? Are you saying we must have a female to make things 'right'?

    If a woman hasn't come close in terms of appearances or goals etc then she shouldn't be included. Simple. She has exactly the same opportunity to do so as a man
     
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    But is there anyone in there who you consider worthy of a nomination that the club have overlooked? Is it just the female part that your bothered about rather than the actual accolade?
     
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    Fame - "the state of being known by many people". So there's no reason why all sections of the club should be represented. Unless every section has someone who is genuinely famous,that is.

    Inclusion for the purpose of straightening up some perceived gender imbalance is just ridiculous - and does no favours to people working hard on genuine equality issues.
     
  14. Red

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    The Hall of Fame should have representatives from all sections of the Club. Since there is a thriving Women's BFC team the woman/women who have over the years been most influential in the women's game should be included.

    (why does the possibility of there being a woman in the Hall of Fame bother some people?)
     
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    Genuine question. How long have they been a part of the club. I thought they were taken on under Patrick Crynes tenure.
     
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    So some women who work/have worked at BFC should be put in the hall of fame because they are women?
     
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    That isn't how a hall of fame works but I think you know that. Most Barnsley fans, I'd guess at well over 95%, would not know their names, what position they play, what they have won, etc so how can they be considered for inclusion on a list of the most influential people in BFC history.

    You might not like it but a list of this nature is exclusively male (currently).
     
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    Doesnt bother me in the slightest whether it be male or female, if their worthy of inclusion then thats all that matters.... Il admit i know nothing about the womens bfc team past or present, who do you think should be included?
     
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    That's not true. The problem is that you're asking for people who nobody's heard of to be included. As a supporter for forty-odd years, I'd expect to be familiar with all the names in our HOF, even the ones from before my time.
     
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    I am a woman, a woman who has played football, played for Barnsley FC Ladies, amongst others, coached Ladies football, a woman who has worked for Barnsley FC, and who has had a career in equity for the last 25 years. In my opinion, any suggestion that a player from Barnsley Ladies should be held up as an option for the new Hall of Fame from the off, would be tokenism at its worst. In fact if it happened from the outset I suspect it would be more damaging than useful.

    You're absolutely correct that men have dominated the history of BFC - as at every other football club in the country - that's history, you can't change it. You can change the way things go in the future, but we're talking about a Hall of Fame, where the first four candidates don't even include people who took us to the Premier League.

    If I was nominating a woman, it would be Ada (who ran the car park & lotto tickets) or Jean who worked for years in the office, but with the upmost respect to them, there are many ahead of them .
     

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