Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

Yes the jobs were being allocated to outside labourers British workers were also taking jobs in other countries ie Spain etc , yes there was a flaw in the system and yes the EU were (albeit slowly) legislating to level things out. But to throw the baby out with the bathwater is criminal imo . Things never work out as we want them straight away even when the British govt puts them in place . It took years for us to get used to the new licensing laws for eg and even now there are flaws it needs time to settle in .
The right wing used these short term flaws in the EU free movement which would given time have evened out imo.
The furore over the kosovans for eg where the vast majority have returned home as was their expressed wish at the time o cue it was safe.
The right wing have hoodwinked a large proportion of the population as most populist parties do and divided the nation with fear lie after lie.
The demise of Jobs in our area came about because of Right wing Tory policy long before any immigration issue and the lack of investment and jobs came about because of right wing Tory policy long before immigration became an issue . Now investment in our area came about primarily and essentially because of EU investment the use of labour was being exploited but would have been put right if it hadn’t been for the right wing blaming their policies on to the EU. And now the right wing are laughing their socks off at people blaming g the EU and labour for their (right wing) divisive policies no wonder the Right wing think that most working class are naive but hey it worked for the NAZI party

 

The Right wing think the working and/or lower classes are more than just naive, they believe they are as thick as ****, and to further rub salt into the wound we keep giving them grounds to believe that by keep championing and voting for their policies, and buying their papers such as The Sun and Daily Mail. This country is fek’d for the majority and only have ourselves to blame.

 

No way. The EU has shown what petulant turds they are in their negotiations so far so for me, the quicker we’re away from that crumbling superstate and it’s bunch of unelected dictators, the better.

 

Theres very little difference between how the Right Wing and Left Wing political elite see the working class.

 

Ah right.

The Nazi party.

Didnt they have strong links to socialist polices, anti semtism strong media and propaganda manipulation and an army to rabble rouse support or suppress critisism...

 

The thing is as Mr Parker has stated.

If the agency is bussing them in then the locals cant compete.

 

Don’t know about that but they certainly hated Immigrants and blamed them for what the Kaiser had bestowed upon them

 

It's a complete mess, and it's no wonder; both the leave and remain campaign were orchestrated by the Tories who are certainly the worst government in my lifetime. Labour also were very indecisive. The consensus of opinion is that we are and will be financially worse off as a result, and those who voted out don't give a monkeys. The difference in the two votes may well be down to the racist element of our population, so they have swung the balance of power, which is very worrying.

 

Your attitude is just the example of how the right wing have manipulated opinions.
What did you expect the EU to do just cave in and say yes you can have all the things that’s good about the EU without being a member?
The plan of the right was always to disrupt our membership then blame them for the consequences ,
For gods sake man get thi eeard art er thi Rs

 

Give it a rest you blithering fool. For one, I don’t want anything that’s good from the EU, there’s actually nothing good about it anyway and as far as I can see, it’s the left that’s trying to manipulate opinions with the constant scaremongering and project fear rhetoric.

When I voted to leave, the vote was for no relationship at all with the EU and not the shte that keeps getting bandied about.


Not you, me or anyone for that matter knows what will happen after we leave so pipe down until we all see what truly happens.

 

Except that what every forecast so far has said is that our economy will take a hit. Truly great news that, given that Phillip Hammond is now talking about further cuts (see today's Times). The idea that we (population 65M, GDP $2.5Trn) can negotiate better trading deals than the EU bloc (population 510M, GDP $16.5Trn) is for the birds. When Britain was allegedly 'Great' it had a head start in terms of industrialisation as against the rest of the world. It enjoys no such advantage today. The only way to prosperity is through intelligent co-operation with our neighbours, particularly those with whom we share common standards in regard to employment rights, quality standards and basic fundamental freedoms. The EU is not perfect, but we contribute to shaping it's laws and it's policies, and it is open to us to influence it's future. Our existing opt-out of the single currency and further integration has operated against any fanciful notions of a developing super-state. It is beyond belief that the fanatics would have us throw in our lot with America and it's capricious, maverick president who befriends every one of our traditional enemies. China and India would demand concessions in the form of further entry rights if we were to extend our trade with them - sure to upset the more xenophobic brextremists. The EU has in any event recently been extending it's trade deals with the larger eastern economies. Unlike the UK, it does actually have trade negotiators to do the job. Thankfully, there is a parliamentary majority to prevent a ruinous 'no deal' Brexit, so we are bound for stalemate, with a growing possibility of a second referendum. We can only hope that logic and common sense will then prevail and that the idiotic self-harm of Tory brexit can be rejected.

 

So you voted to leave on the basis that you wouldn't have a clue what would happen.
Well done. That's the sort of direction this country needs.

 

I take it you've never travelled to an EU country? European healthcare, mobile data roaming charges axed, ease of access to countries and reduction of border delays. They are the most obvious visible benefits a traveller may face. Even if you're ignorant and unaware of other benefits that being in the EU provides, you can't possibly deny those three benefits, unless you're so full of spite you're already noseless.

 

Pretty much every regeneration project in Barnsley over the last 25 years has come through EU funding channels.

Nothing good about the EU?

 

Partially funded by the EU - They appear to grant about 25%-30% of some project costs. >HERE<

In the 10 years from 2006 to 2016. Infrastructure project costs in the borough have been £140.39M, of which the EU issued £40.36M of grants.

Other South Yorkshire EU funded infrastructure projects from 2000-2008 are http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/archive/country/commu/docoutils/o1_south_yorkshire.pdf

Then there's National Lottery funded projects.

 

I said they were funded through EU channels.

Also, considering we're currently in a period where Yorkshire and Humberside residents are receiving an estimated 18% less spending per head from the government I'd have thought we'd graciously accept all the help we can get?

But no, they're Europe, we're British...we can fund our own infrastructure...oh, wait...

 

This isn't a right/ left issue.

Most of the parliamentary Conservative party including the last two PMs and Chancellors are Remainers.

Labour constituencies had the biggest Leave majorities.

 

Long before Brexit was first mooted I recall having discussions with a colleague who was an economic geographer about the vulnerability of just-in-time supply chains with regard to impact from cyberterrorism. The margins involved in shifting food, drugs, spare parts, petrol, oil and just about anything you could name are terrifyingly small. At that period we were imagining ISIS or Russian attacks on the computer networks that control all this, and came to the conclusion that the UK could be reduced to its knees in a few days. Forget ISIS and Putin; who needs them when we are capable of doing the damage to ourselves?

 

The prosecution rests.

 

According to polls around the time, Labour membership was >60% Remain, but Labour constituencies were among the biggest leave votes. Was that because a lot of the traditional Labour voters (that are not party members) saw Cameron leading the Remain campaign and voted against him?

Then you have Jacob Rees-Mogg, Kate Hoey, Frank Field, Boris Johnson and a few others of the hardcore brexit MPs who are in strong Remain constituencies. So, should the MPs do what their constituents want, or what in their considered opinion is the best thing for their constituents? Already the two labour MPs mentioned are in danger of deselection for their views.

Given the number of MPs that are against Brexit, they might be better leaving their respective parties and joining a new centre party - it would instantly have the majority in Parliament and could block Brexit if they were brave enough to do it.