Joshua vs Povetkin

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  1. YTB

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    The best ever? Anthony Joshua? Give up, mate.
     
  2. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

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    Never said that. I said he's on his way to becoming best ever. Tyson, Ali, Fraser, Lewis and the rest hadn't done what he's done after just 22 fights. He's not reached his prime yet. If next year he gets through Wilder, Whyte and Fury he might as well retire, as their would be nobody left to beat. I wouldn't even bother with Whyte as I aren't a fan of rematches. Better to have nothing but different names on your win record.
     
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    Is he better than Fury or Wilder?
     
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    Wilder would be very interesting, probably be a first to land wins fight.
    Fury at his best would also be interesting AJ would have to knock him out to win as I feel if
    it went the distance Fury would school him.

    Personally think Wilder will beat Fury, probably be a little too soon for him and would be hard to get a decision in Vegas.

    Don't be surprised if Hearn gives us AJ Whyte next though and dodges the winner of the Fury fight.
     
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    Chrissie Wilder?
     
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    Tyson was undisputed World champion by 21 wasn't he? It's very difficult to compare generations but the experts i listen to regard this particular generation of heavyweights as not having the depth of quality that any of those listed by you had. AJ is quality though.
     
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    Completely agree... many lament the state of the heavyweight division in this era. There are some good fighters but not the amount that there have been in previous eras.

    Joshua is fantastic and was brutal knocking Povetkin down last night but he will never become the best ever.
     
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    Best of all time etc are objective really. However when we consider the business of heavyweight boxing today, AJ has beaten Povetkin, Whyte, Takam, and Parker who are all ranked in the top 10. Of course there is Wilder and Ortiz and Breazeale out there, but with AJ ranked at number 1 and given his record its hard to argue there is a better heavyweight right now. You are only as good as your last fight of course so again its hard to argue AJs position. Wilder see's Fury as a stepping stone to a big money sell out to AJ. Remember its as much about the purse as it is about the rankings when these matches are set up with the occasional mandatory. AJ sees a free run at Wilder if he wins next year but i wouldn't be surprised if the Ortiz v Wilder fight is finally pushed through first stateside.
     
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    There's no clamour for Wilder vs. Ortiz in the US so I can't see that fight being pushed through. Nobody even knows how old Ortiz really is and they've already fought, so for every casual fan that was excited about Wilder recovering from the Ortiz onslaught and being saved by the officials, a lot of other fans saw the limitations and quality of opponent.

    You mention Breazeale, who AJ has beat as well remember. Just to support your argument. He's definitely the best heavyweight right now based on who he's fought in just 22 fights.

    Wilder wants to beat Fury and double his earnings for the AJ fight. Funny that Team Wilder complained you can't sign a contract without a venue ......... yet they've signed for Fury and the venue isn't confirmed.
     
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    The number of fights doesn’t really matter, he only fights twice a year & has world class sparring. The sports completely changed from the days of even Lewis & Tyson.

    Fighters don’t have anywhere near as many warm up fights. If you’re an Olympic champ now you’re expected to be in world title fights in around 10 fights.

    By comparison to Usyk & Lomachenko, Joshua’s been moved slow. It’s crazy. Usyk’s unified the cruiserweight division in about 15 fights & Lomachenko’s pound for pound king & beaten several world class fighters in about 12 fights.

    It’s not a criticism of him by the way he’s doing great but it’s just he’s only doing what’s becoming normal in boxing
     
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    You're absolutely right but there's two ways to look at it. AJ gate crashed the Olympics really and doesn't have the amateur pedigree of Loma or Usyk. He's still a boxing novice in relative terms to those two, quite considerably, which is why they've both been fast tracked. Age isn't on Loma's side for example.

    Plus in the same division you've got Wilder racing to 34-0 without fighting anyone with a pulse, and Canelo getting close to his 50th fight soon.

    I wouldn't say his rise over 22 fights is the best out there, but it isn't expected. Even Kell Brook messed about with poor opposition for too long before stepping up to face Porter, so there's examples everywhere.
     
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    All fair points.

    I don’t think they ever intended to fast track Joshua but opportunity came their way with a fighter like Charles Martin holding a title through a freak injury victory & then with Fury losing the plot they got the fight with Klitschko & I get the impression they thought he’d very little fight left in him & nearly got a shock.

    Wilder was moved slowly but I think that was just his team realising he needed lots of warm up fights as he was incredibly raw, still is to be fair. I think if I remember right he had a very short amateur career before going to the Olympics & was never expected to get a bronze medal. Really he’d have been better off doing another four years as an amateur but it’s hard to turn down a pro deal when you’ve won a bronze medal & been offered a fortune.

    Canelo turned pro at 15 & basically had about 30 fights before he was 20 which was a glorified amateur career.

    Brook also turned pro young at 18, probably for the best he didn’t get rushed as he never lived his life right til he got a scare against Carson Jones, he was mixing with the wrong crowds, even once ended up in court for having a scrap with a bouncer in che bar in Barnsley.
     
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    Personally, was a very good win for Joshua. Povetkin despite all of his controversy was and still is a top five heavyweight. I would still pick the lad to beat the likes of Pulev/Wilder personally. Will be interesting to see who AJ fights next. It wont be Wilder or Fury who fight on December 1 scheduled for Los Angeles, more likely see a rematch with Dillian Whyte (for the money of a all British dustup.again) but most likely the IBF mandatory will be called for his next fight which will be the winner of Kubrat Pulev v Hughie Fury. The win against Povetkin is worth twice the Klitschko win as the Ukranian was inactive for well over a year due to the failed Fury rematches.
     
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    Would have liked to have seen this boxer turn pro
     
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    Best amateur to never turn p
    best fighter never to have turned over. Loyal to the Castro regime despite apparently being offered millions to turn pro.
     
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    Hmmmm. Don't think the Russians would agree with you... Igor Vysotsky was recognised as one of the best Heavyweights in his era and never turned pro.

    I watched a documentary on him recently.
     
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    Vysotsky
    He beat Stevenson twice but had a problem with cuts throughout his career but the three Olympic gold medals and 300+ wins at the top amateur level puts Stevenson on another level . Vysotsky could take a punch though as seen here
     
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    What experts? Because we are actually living through a golden generation of heavyweights right now.
    Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Dillian Whyte, Jarrell Miller, Povetkin & Luis Ortiz may still be forces, Joseph Parker, Hughie Fury, Kubrat Pulev, Adam Kownacki, Joe Joyce, Tony Yoka, Dominic Breazeale it goes on and on and on. There's a ton of depth in this heavyweight division. Especially here in the UK too, got some prospects coming through like Daniel Dubois & Nathan Gorman and fighters that are below elite level but still provide great entertainment like Dereck Chisora and David Price.

    People that are nostalgic for the 90s forget some of the champions that were around at that time like Oliver McCall, Frank Bruno, ancient George Foreman and so on.

    On a side note, boxing in general is kinda booming right now up and down the divisions. Needs some more popularity in the US for sure, but I'm confident it can start to come back.

    PS; I was at Joshua-Povetkin, it was awesome.
     

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