Eating less meat and dairy

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  1. Wilmersdorfer Winky

    Wilmersdorfer Winky Well-Known Member

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    Is this something folk are starting to think about too, for ethical reasons or otherwise?

    Me and the mrs have gone down to meat once a week, fish once a week and no cow milk/butter over the course of about a year without much trouble. Miss a good bacon sarnie as we've cut out processed meats completely, but that's about it.

    Not sure I could go full vegan, though.
     
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    Yes but for health not ethical reasons. Apparently I'm not far off pre-diabetes, so I guess that's pre-pre-diabetes. Reduced sugar, diary and red meat consumption. I'm really enjoying raspberries and chia seeds on my porridge every morning.
     
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    No way , no issues with anyone going don that road but too much to give up, bacon, latte’s, pork scratching, dripping, roast beef, lamb pork poultry give up nar Juddy tha salivating
     
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    Yep, meat farming is not sustainable long term, plus the associated health benefits of reducing red meat consumption.
     
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    Nope, as mam is Type 1 diabetic we always had meat in pretty much every meal growing up as non processed meat has no carbs so she could eat as much meat and veg as she wanted. I'm too stuck in my ways to want to change that now.
     
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    Aye. Have cut down on meat without much bother but struggling with dairy, particularly milk. I can't cope with most of the milk alternatives.
     
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    Open your minds and consider whether traditional dietary advice is right or not. I was told about a ketogenic way of eating by a friend who had an enlightened doctor recommend it to her and in six months she lost two stones and, more importantly, reversed her Type 2 Diabetes. Sugar is the enemy. Given the chance your body will burn sugar - it's the easiest form of energy for the body to use but it requires insulin to carry it round the system. Eventually the body gets fed up of this and if you are insulin resistant you develop diabletes. Sugar in all its forms, (including fruit) should be avoided and simple carbohydrates, especially white bread, rice, pasta, potatoes,. I aim for a diet that is 70% fat - mono-saturated; 25% high quality protein and 5% complex carbs. So that means meat - good quality, ethically produced and without preservatives if possible. I can eat chicken, fish, beef, lamb, pork, dry cured bacon without nitrates, nuts, eggs, organic peanut butter, coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil, butter, cream, cheese, lard, green vegetables and salad, tomatoes etc but avoid root vegs with starch. Asparagus, Avocados. are good. You can also eat limited amounts of berries. You also need to increase your salt intake, as well as magnesium and potassium (Lo-Salt) or you will get cramps and headaches. Your body will switch from burning sugar to burning ketone bodies and some glucose produced from protein. I lost three stones, feel great. You can even drink if you want - spirits, dry white wine - in moderation. I also fast once a month for two days, and I can completely go off plan for a couple of weeks on holiday and eat what I want - then go back to this way of eating https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/keto
     
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    Yes. I've already cut back quite a lot.
     
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    Done nearly four years as a veggie. I don't miss meat. I am doing less damage to myself and to the world.

    I go vegan as much as I can. I'm not perfect by any means but I am happy with my decision.

    The reaction of meat-eating colleagues kept me going in the difficult early days. "I couldn't do it. I'd miss bacon. Who else would miss bacon?" Every hand shot up.
     
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    Meat and dairy products for me. How can people stomach margarine on bread instead of butter?
     
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    Just bought two racks of ribs and a four kilo ham from Costco.
     
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    I have cut back on meat by a lot (processed meat especially), although odd Premier Inn brekkie on work trips...

    Dairy is down to a limited amount of cheese. F-ing love cheese.

    I'm still drinking beer.
     
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    Yep. Factory farmed meat is cruel, flavourless and pumped full of antibiotics. Eat much less meat now and always from known sources. Proper meat always reminds me why I'll never go back to eating supermarket stuff, and also why I'll never go fully vegetarian, as it tastes incredible. Quality, not quantity.
     
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    I've been trying out quite a few, with mixed results. Coffee with soya milk is ok, and with coconut milk is very good. Coconut milk also makes tremendous porridge. Hot chocolate with oat milk is excellent. Peanut and almond milk are grotesque with everything. Tea is also terrible with any non-dairy. The thing is, no matter how bad dairy farming is for the environment, the amount of processing and food miles connected with milk alternatives must be just as damaging. You can't win.
     
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    Quality over quantity e.g. always buy 'allevato alla Terra' (free range) chickens here when we can get them, otherwise we leave alone. IMHO all the latest processed meat scares are very suspect. Italy has a very high life expectancy and this region (Le Marche) has the highest in Italy. Everywhere there is Pork, prosciutto, Pancetta, Salami, Lardo Cotto, Mortadella. There are salumeria everywhere as well as many people curing and smoking their own meats. We evolved as hunter gatherers, meat, berries nuts and fish. Arable farming and grain and dairy farming is relatively new introduction (on an evolutionary scale) to our diets. That is probably why many people have problems with glutine, and dairy intolerances.

    Everything in moderation rather than eliminating specific food groups, although as per above, cutting back on wheat and grain products is my preferred route.
     
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    Yes. I'm in the habit now of looking at the colour codes on the packs of food generally these days. I've often put back tempting foods because the saturates are in the red.
    I generally buy healthy stuff from the supermarket. But there are a few things I struggle with: milk I still use for my coffee, and I often put sugar in coffee when I'm feeling tired. Sugar is still a weakness. As far as meat is concerned, when I buy it, it's usually chicken, but nothing's ruled out, I'm just more aware of my diet. I do have a tendency to over-eat though, although appearances don't suggest I do.
     
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    I honestly don't understand what there is left to eat (in any kind of varied diet) without meat
     
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    Couldn't cope with being meat free. Respect to all that are willing to give it up for the veggie life. I aren't big on sugar though. Drink plenty of water. Most pop is sugar free and don't need it in a cuppa or on cereal. No much of a sweet tooth either, more about savoury such as crisps as my downfall.
     
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    Have to agree with you. You consider the Italian diet. Plenty of fat, smoked and salted cured meats, carbs galore and milky gelato and sugary desserts. But hard to find things that aren't quality and local to the region and food is cooked properly and the way it has been for decades if not centuries.

    You look at the UK compared to the mainland and we've huge issues with health and obesity. There must be some correlation between the crap we eat and the lack of cooking a good portion of people do (or don't do).

    I've stayed at a few B&B's across Italy and one in particular in Bologna, and the spread of food they put away at breakfast was insane. Then lunch was a 2 hour event. Then often at dinner, they didn't always have a full meal. Just some meats and cheese.... a pasta primi, some meat, but not always a dessert! Not an ounce of fat on them.
     

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