Thiam didn't cost us 1million quid

Agree I remember Alan shearer rarely missed head down and crack it.
Woodrows was a worse pen last night good height for the keeper.

 

The only player who makes me think that he can get round a full back & get a cross in is George Moncur & I know he is not a winger & I am not advocating that he should turn in to one but on his day he can be very skilful & to be honest , I would prefer Potts inside & Moncur outside but thats just me rambling on

 

But none of that adds up because he said repeatedly we were signing the wrong types of player & that we didn’t need any more central midfielders & that he wanted 4 strikers to rotate between like we’d been able to the season before

Also if the intention was to play 4-5-1 he wouldn’t have tried to build a partnership between Bradshaw & Ugbo or go with Moore & Bradshaw as a front two as soon as Moore joined.

Anyway, regardless of all of that the point is if Thiam was signed as a winger that means the club had just two strikers on the books for the start of last season. Whichever way we look at it that’s appalling especially with Ugbo’s lack of experience.

 

Thats no different to this season, as we only had Moore & Bradshaw to start this season , unless you include the young lads, who of course were here last season but are not the finished article .

 

I blame whoever signed him.

 

Ye but this season we’re playing much weaker opposition & Brown & Adeboyejo were a year younger

 

The squad we had avalible start of last season is no worse than the one Paul Warne is working miracles with at rotherham imo the squad we had last season probley better than rotherham now Warne has had no money to spend and has micheal Smith upfront

 

That could well be true but I’d imagine Rotherham have a fairly settled side & haven’t signed 16 new players in one transfer window to replace a full team with a strategy of only signing players under 24 with the board signing players the manager doesn’t want.

 

The same manager who said if he had players forced on him they wouldn't be getting played....
We still didn't know our best 11 by december mowatt was played on the wing away at Bristol then loaned out.
The recruitment didn't help but the manager had a absolute nightmare aswell, we started fairly well but went backwards chopping and changing the team every game didn't help we beat Sunderland 1 nil new years the win before that was 2 months previous against brum. We disagree on this but I'm not surprised if he clubs haven't taken a chance on him and he has been linked to the likes of Notts county.

 

Rotherham have less points than we had at this time last season.

 

Look it’s real life, it’s not FIFA, the club signed 16 players & replaced a full team in one window on one of the smallest budgets in the league. That should not happen unless you’re in administration. We should’ve been cast adrift at the bottom of the league. Players need to gel.

A fair comparison to Warne would be Heckingbottom’s first season in the championship but comparing a settled side with a completely new team makes no sense.

I can’t understand what you’re talking about with not knowing his first team by December when Gardner, Isgrove, Hedges, Fryers, Cavare, Yiadom etc all spent large chunks injured. None of us knew our best team so how could the manager?

The ones who were fit & doing ok started most games Davies, Lindsay, Potts, Moncur, Williams, Barnes, Bradshaw but the rest changed dependant on who was fit.

He played a settled team for several games & all I ever read on here was why isn’t Mallan playing? why don’t we play 4-4-2? Why is Potts playing? etc. You can’t win.

Again I’m not sure what relation Notts County has to Heckingbottom. He could win every single game he’s ever in charge of in the future or he could lose every single game, it will never change the job he did at Barnsley.

 

We spent 6 million they have spent 0. It was those early points that kept us out of the drop zone for so long.

 

The injuries and excuses you make make me laugh stendel has had Bradshaw sold Woodrow injured so only moore and 2 strikers who have never played senior level. He has had injurys to pinnilos,fryers,isgrove,hedges,Potts,dougall,moore,Woodrow and had Davies called up 3 times for Wales.
I don't see anyone cutting him any slack all I keep seeing is you and a few other saying we should be top two.
Let's give it a rest with hecky you make excuse after excuse up for him the fact he isn't back in employment speaks volumes. I love your sentiment it reminds me of Wilson's 2nd spell though.

And a fair comparison wouldn't be Warne with heckys 1st season because warnes squad if far far worse and he has spent no Money.

 

What on earth are you talking about? You’ve just said he didn’t know his best team in December & I’ve said of course he didn’t because he had players injured until then. How could he know if Gardner or Cavare would be in it if they’ve played a combined total of one game for him by December

In the same way Stendel probably doesn’t know his yet as Woodrow’s been injured & Hedges has so who does he play in him & Thiam & Fryers been injured so who does he pick in Fryers & Pinillos etc?

That’s not an excuse, it’s just common sense. You need to see all your players plenty before you know your best side. How can you criticise someone for that?

You’re saying ‘let’s give it a rest’ but every single time I’ve mentioned last season on here or Heckingbottom’s name you’ve quoted me & told me how **** Heckingbottom was, even if that wasn’t the debate you’ve told me that. I said weeks ago there’s no point discussing it because we disagree but you’ve kept quoting me saying he did a **** job.

You can tell me a thousand times but it will never change my mind & me & probably 90+% of our fans thought he did a good job before he left for Leeds.

And how great exactly was our squad? Roberts can’t get a game at Birmingham, neither can Angus at Hull when fit, Bree never gets a kick, Watkins is a fringe player at Bristol, Winnall’s a good player but was only 4th choice at Wednesday & even Hourihane & Scowen aren’t guaranteed starts at their current clubs. Maybe just maybe the manager here was getting the best out of them here?

I honestly think you’ve got serious issues with the bloke. Just let it go.

 

This.

 

Hecky
Took over a winning side that required minimal tinkering and simply kept them winning.
But kept them winning to the point of two Wembley victories, our first cup final victory in over a century and promotion.
And the final four games of that season were the most impressive, dominant victories in such crucial matches that I've ever seen from a Barnsley team. We were so much better than the opposition and we'd won the games before we even got on the pitch. The manager instils that belief.
Took that team to the brink of the play-offs in the Championship.
Had the entire squad sold from beneath him.
Was economical with the truth about his involvement in signings. His interviews ranged from him claiming players were signed without his knowledge to stating he wouldn't entertain the idea of selecting a player who had been brought in without his blessing.
Made some poor choices in team selection.
Was given an impossible task.
Acted like a lovely person with the way he left us.

Life isn't black and white, it's so many shades of grey. He managed us impeccably at times. He got some things wrong. His I'm a fan/bye I'm off to Leeds left a sour taste, no matter how much money was offered and how poorly things were managed by those above him. We were relegated because we sold all our best players.

 

What are you on about it was you who brought hecky into a thread about how much thiam cost Warne has a much harder job Conor,bree,Roberts,scowen,mawson,winnall and watkins would all walk in to that rotherham side if fit. Like I said look at the squad it's piss poor.

I also said stendel has had injurys this season he has had to play Walton twice who has hardly played a senior game before this season. When moore and Woodrow were injured he only had victor and Jacob brown as fit strikers. He has had both fryers and pinnilos injured and had to play ben williams a rookie. The only back up for cavare he has is another rookie. The only natural defensive midfielder he has is out untill new year. I don't see people defending him the same old on here still giving it we should be top two etc.

Your another one on here who thinks what you say is bang on and everyone else is wrong and you don't take into account anything else. Well I don't have a issue with him I think he did a good job to get us promoted and untill conor went still did very well. But I'm not in the hecky bubble and I'm not under the illusion that he is the messiah like some. Soon as Conor went we went 451 even though we had Bradshaw watkins and Armstrong avalible we won 3 games for the rest of the season 2 against relegated teams. The next season he made plenty of mistakes although he didn't have it easy in terms of recruitment. Playing players out of position (mowatt and moncur on wing v Bristol city 1st game and then continued throughout ) making Angus captain? Trying wing backs for 45mins away at one of the best sides in the league and then changing back to 451 at half time? Hanging players out to dry in interviews and Angus v reading under him we were only looking at going one way before he left one win in 2 months against bottom of the league.

 

This is absolutely spot on.

And I’m not sure how it can be argued with.

 

That's exactly how remember it all. Well put.