Not sure it's a case of...

Depends on how you look at it. Did they press our back four? No

Did they sit back and allow us to play in front of them? To an extent

Did they allow us to get the ball into forward positions! Absolutely not. They didn't give us an inch of space and doubled up on some players.

Call it pressing, or just getting tight and getting a toe in. Same result.

 

They had a plan. Let us play in front of them, nick the ball and play it over the top and chase it.

 

It seems that’s the way to beat us this season imo .it seems the story in most of our defeats as well as on occasions missing numerous chances.
naivety after a time becomes incompetent I hope we don’t get to this stage .

 

We need to abandon Patrick’s ridiculous money oriented mindset and start signing players because we think they are good at football and not because of how much money we think they can make us.

 

Well, yes. Of course. But being so explicit doesn't seem to do one any favours.

 

you'll never win owt with kids

 

Not trying to play I told you so but back in September I posted on here that I didn’t think we’d be able to keep up a pressing style all season. I don’t see how it’s possible in League One when there’s so many games with 3 cups on top of 46 league games.

These are just my general thoughts as I didn’t go to Wycombe.

The problem to me is that the full backs are still pushing too high up the pitch but we’re not pressing from the front, way too many times in the last few weeks Lindsay & Pinnock have been left isolated against opposition players. People have made Cavare a scapegoat but Cavare’s only following his managers instructions otherwise he would’ve been dropped.

There’s been some bonkers decisions as well. The other week we had 3 left backs in the squad & Hedges was playing there. Yesterday we’ve got a natural right back who’s just scored his first ever goal & got an assist who’ll be full of confidence sat on the bench whilst a striker plays there. If Jose Morais had made them decisions this place would be going crazy. Didn’t Mowatt end up at left back as well? Why would you move our most creative player to left back?

We’d got a midfield 4 yesterday who basically all want to play the same position, in the centre with little defensive responsibility, that’s unbalanced to me. Even if he’s out of form I’d rather have Thiam there who’s a natural winger & take one of Moncur & Bahre out of the side for some natural width otherwise you end up with a Lee Johnson type midfield. I know he’s been unlucky with Dougall, Isgrove & Hedges missing.

I know this reads like I’m slating Stendel but I just think we desperately need a plan b. I’ve enjoyed most of the football under him I just think we need to adapt or we’ll drop out of promotion contention.

For me we need to go old school & get crosses into the box for Moore to feast on. We’ve got an asset like him & we don’t play to his strengths. Instead of our wingers & full backs running inside they could run to the touch line & get a cross in. Obviously Hammill’s the name everyone will bring up but there’s got to be players out there or even our own that are capable of that. Just a thought.

 

Could not agree more.

 

I think there needs to be a bit of both.

Whilst we need to recruit players who are good enough now, we need to perhaps occasionally sell one or two to balance the books. There has been too much of the latter and not enough of the former IMO.

Surely it is more lucrative to try and do a Huddersfield than continue how we are, dipping in and out of the third tier.

 

The new owners are nothing to do with Patrick’s decision making. They have their own strategy. So we need to abandon the new owners strategy for buying/signing under 23s Only and not loaning any players if we want to get out of league 1. PC was happy to sign the likes of Long, Hammill, James, Barnes etc if he thought they would help the team achieve better results.

Not sure what Patrick has to do with the current decision. But not surprised. Bet someone else will agree with you though....

 

20 percent of the club is owned by the crynes.

 

I’m not good at maths but does that mean 80% is owned by the other directors. But good some still having a pop at Patrick.

 

Yes.

I like your thinking. Nobody can get any blame as nobody owns 100%. It's a stroke of genius really

They're ALL to blame for the policy as they all willingly went along with what Patrick initiated

 

I don't blame Patrick- he didn't have the same financial clout that the new owners have. He was more concerned with preserving BFC until someone else could step in and push the club forward. I just hope that this is what Chien and Co are going to do. January will be a good indicator of that in my opinion.

 

They are all decision makers with a vote on the board. But the new owners have implemented their own strategy. They took Patrick’s strategy of ensuring the club was self sufficient and financially stable, and have added their own unique spin to it. To blame a man who doesn’t have a vote, and is no longer with us, seems to be somewhat strange. Doesn’t surprise me at all. Will still be the case in 2032. With many more promotions and relegations under our belts. Still be January 2017s fault. I’m sure Conway, Lee, Hung, Beane & Neerav will sort it in their 3rd window. They collectively own 80% of the club so their direction rather dictates where we go. Hopefully they can see the folly of their choice to choose Morais over Ross. Of letting a proven League 1 player like Jason McCarthy go and leave us playing Jacob Brown at RB. Cashing in on Knasmullner, Bradshaw, McCarthy, Pearson, Mallan & Bradshaw and not investing sufficiently in the correct positions of the squad. But none of that is their fault.

 

Exactly. And now we have owners with the “clout”. Let’s see if they can improve on their last 2 windows. I’m sure we all want them to. I have little faith in a group who voted to appoint Morais. But we all make mistakes. Let hope they don’t drop many more.

 

I'm not expecting them to spend millions in January and I think anyone that does will be very disappointed, but hoping we ship a couple out and bring in 2-3 players who are not just young, inexperienced fringe players... decent ones along the lines of Dougall.

 

If we are serious at wanting promotion, then we are not going to get it with just kids
Take Premier teams example. I know they have money and get the best players.....
They try to win the Premiership and Euro competitions , but not with youngsters
They play good pros
Man City showed what young players are capable of but these youngsters do not represent their best players
We need one or two good pros to Marshall our young team .
When things are not going right these sort would get the youngsters kick in
If they cost an extra bob or two then so what if it gets us over the winning line
Question..??
If and it is a big if at present, we got promoted, do you think these players could sustain keeping in the Championship, I don't think so. Hence why not invest now and in January get some new blood in to push on in the New year and try and get promoted. We are supposed to be a wealthy club or we keep hearing so

 

You've read the post entirely different to me. For me it was a post about the strategy, not blaming an individual. Under Patrick Cryne we began the strategy of buying young players with resale value. It was explicitly stated. The new owners have said the same. In my opinion it's not a strategy that can ensure long or even medium term success. I think we need players who may not generate a profit but will produce on the pitch. That's what I took from the what was said, didn't see it as a finger pointing exercise in any way, just an opinion on how we can move forward.

 

Fair enough. All about opinions. I don’t think Patrick’s “ridiculous money orientated mindset” has any relevance to the new owners decision making. They have openly implemented a different strategy of only signing U23s and not signing loan players unless intending to buy them. Ruling us out of talented loans that may be out of our budget to buy. I hope it’s successful. I’m sure we all do.