Theresa get a confidence vote

Yes. Which was a gross dereliction of duty and worthy of being taken into account at the ballot box. Trouble is our political system is beholden to tribalism rather than individual MPs voting on merit. I'd still rather that than hand the tail of the dog to the UKIP minded amongst us.

 

You are right I'm not disagreeing with you brexit is a complete mess but I go back to my earlier point these inept politicians on both sides never wanted the will of the peaple inplemented in first place. So they are going to force another vote and they are going to make sure the vote goes their way.

 

Technically it’s the 3rd referendum the first being in 1975

 

There's no issue of contempt at all as far as I know, Varadkar though is now worried that no deal is a possible outcome

I would very much doubt it but it's a measure of how concerned he now is.

 

If parliament represents the will of the people....which it should.....and acts in their best interests.....as it should there wouldn't be a problem.
But again, nothing remains the same. Things have come to light in the last two years that were barely mentioned at the time of the referendum. Would all the make Britain great again enthusiasts have been so gung ho if they'd realised they were wheeling Scotland and Northern Ireland towards the exit door from the UK?

 

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The will of some of the people
Interesting that a party that puts curbs on Trade Unions that they must have a 75%majority in order to take industrials action but can take the country wherever they want on a small majority .

 

Why do you say a dereliction of duty?....was it a dereliction of duty to let Scotland have it's referendum?

 

Boris is wanting a no deal with out paying our dues to the EU that is on record .
On most political discussions on the subject the commentators say we could be in contempt if this happens .

 

The Scots I doubt will leave...almost a million more Scots voted to stay in the UK than voted in the EU referendum....Nicola Sturgeon was very gung ho about another referendum asap, but has seriously cooled on the idea.

 

Plenty of governments have not survived their full term. They had a mandate, they didn't deliver, they go.

 

Labour MP's also voted for the referendum.

 

The difference being though that they have been elected and allowed to enact the policies they were elected on.
As far as I am aware no Govt has ever been removed before sitting.

 

No

they didn’t
It was Cameron’s manifesto that brought the referendum.
In no where in Labours manifesto was there a mention on a referendum

 

Now Sad brewer you have pissed me off here. What is it all about that you think England let us have a referendum. You do not own us and certainly not our masters. We are both equal partners are we not? I realise you don't like to think so but this why we Scots dislike the present set up so much. I'm led to believe that you cannot stop us having a referendum but we went through the proper channels the last time and looking like we will do so again. Hopefully with a better outcome.

 

But when they won they were allowed to try, The politicians in this parliament have not even tried.

 

Apologies Ian....I shouldn't have used the word let as though it was somehow a privilege...that wasn't intended, as you know I fully support Scots who want to campaign for Independence, even though I hope they will as a nation vote to stay.
But the point I was making was that why should anyone ( the poster) claim a referendum is a dereliction of duty?...if so does that apply to Indyref?
Just glad I wasn't sat next to you in a booster when I said it!!

 

Wasn't it the UK that legitimised the independence referendum rather than England, Ian?

 

Apologies accepted mate. The waters muddy by the minute. You said you think Nicola has cooled on any idea of another ref. Well I must disagree. Waiting for the moment to make her move. You must agree that the past few days has been great for our argument that Independence is a better prospect than remaining scrambling about like blind mice.

 

SNP wanted a referendum and UK govt knew they could not stop it happening so reluctantly agreed. Then proceeded to embark on project fear scaring many to vote against it. Wont happen next time. False promises we exposed.

 

There's a lot of revisionist history going on. "People didn't know what they were voting for." I remember it quite differently, I remember huge mainstream support for Remain, I recall Farage/Gove/Johnson being called liars. I remember people taking the piss out of the bus, and pretty much every major newspaper and the government itself campaigning against it. It is incredibly patronising to suggest people didn't know what they were voting for, by people who have refused to accept the reality of that referendum result, and have undermined any effort to try to achieve a positive outcome.