Second referendum

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  1. Donny Red

    Donny Red Well-Known Member

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    The Diabetes Medics have no vested interest in warning their patients that shortages of insulin
    could occur. We don't manufacture insulin in the UK and so all of our requirements are imported.
    Warnings were made in July and the Health Minister has said we can possibly stockpile supplies
    until such times as we can strike our own deals if we leave without a deal. It could all be " scaremongering"
    of course, but knowing the impact it could have on one of my loved ones it's an extremely worrying time for
    him, his wife and kids and my wife and myself.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...le-insulin-no-deal-nhs-diabetes-a8467516.html
     
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    Foreign entities with thought out trade deals do yes but Nigel and co don’t want that do they ?
    This is what pissed me off everybody saying they’ll be no problem and then when problems come slink into the darkness “nuffink to do wiv me guv”
     
    Marlon, Dec 13, 2018
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  3. shenk1

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  4. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    And most of those problems go away if we adapt the transition deal from May

    The problem comes if we leave with no deal - a policy actually wanted by the ERG
    Then we become suddenly the only country in the entire world with no trade deals with anyone
    All the deals we had pre- EU are long gone
    Not only that but trade is only part of it - we ve had 40 years of intergration into the EU everything from type approval for medicines Aircaft certification and many many more things. We have to start again
    We are even laughably talking about building our own satellite system to copy galeleo

    We will lose millions of jobs due to it no longer being economic for multinationals to cycle things via the UK
    Our agriculture will be toast

    There are degrees of Leaving the EU - I can see it has many flaws but so does every large organisation - surely if we were leaving we should have done it in smaller steps initially staying in the CU and SM = the Norway model, see how that panned out and then if needed move further away in a controlled manor

    The huge problem is May has come up with a deal that no one likes - it would have been nice if we had worked on some cross party framework of what we actually wanted rather than May and some hard line brexiteers wanting to leave the Customs Union and kill Freedom of movement as top priorities and not caring about the rest. and launching off A50 and hoping it would all work out with no real plan
     
    Farnham_Red, Dec 13, 2018
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  5. Dan

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    Obviously I'm on the remain side of the fence, but there is a lot of hyperbole around leaving. Some of it will be true, some will be slightly exaggerated, some may be noted to allow businesses to try and allow normal operations as much as possible. So if we were to leave without a deal, and I don't think that will happen, there will be turmoil and panic (its what people do, see cold weather shopping hoarding, the petrol crisis and the run on northern rock) and at some point things will find a new equilibrium as people, organisations and companies find a new way that best suits their needs.

    Personally I feel that new equilibrium will be worse than what we have now, and that's why I oppose leaving.

    But the world won't end. We'll just all be worse off and more inconvenienced for a period of time that none of us know until we experience it. Some will hold their noses and make out they are revelling in it, others will be in uproar and some might not see much difference at all, despite what the idealogues tell us daily.
     
    DannyWilsonLovechild, Dec 13, 2018
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    You obviously don’t know how trade works then do you.
     
    Terry Nutkins, Dec 13, 2018
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    No, of course you’re right we’re all going to die because you didn’t get your own way, and the EU, became something it was never set out to be. So we now have to follow you because you were right all along, you get to say, “I told you so”, without anything ever actually being proved. You sit back smug in your armchair. and then we go back cap in hand to the EU, bend over.

    So please enlighten us on your take on trade with some of the biggest companies in the world. I’m dying to hear your insightful telling of the time you brokered You deals.

    Actually don’t bother, I’m done on here with this ****, let’s talk Footy. I’m tired of the hand wringing foretellers of doom from all sides of this shambles.
     
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  8. sadbrewer

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    The insulin story is b**s...the manufacturers have already announced they do not expect any problems.
     
    sadbrewer, Dec 13, 2018
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  9. sadbrewer

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    No problem according to the makers.
    FactCheck verdict
    Sir Michael Rawlins, the chair of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), said on Friday that the UK did not produce any insulin, and raised concerns that a no-deal Brexit could disrupt supply of this vital medicine.

    It’s not true to say that we don’t produce any insulin whatsoever in the UK. However, it looks like the amount we do make here serves less than one per cent of the Brits who rely on insulin. And indeed, the small amount of insulin that is produced in the UK is made from pigs and cows, rather than human cells.

    But more importantly, the companies that do supply the bulk of UK patients – even with products manufactured overseas – have told us that they don’t expect significant problems with supply in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
     
    sadbrewer, Dec 13, 2018
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    Government/leave advice....they obviously know nothing then. If you don't believe them on this rather important detail, why believe them on the rest of the stuff they tell you ?
     
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  11. sadbrewer

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    India, Israel and China are all contributors to Galileo.
     
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  12. Jimmy viz

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    Austerity was a political choice of the tories and LibDems. The EU had absolutely nothing to do with it.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Jimmy viz, Dec 13, 2018
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  14. sadbrewer

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    I'm not sure why you use Government/Leave advice? but the fact is these ridiculous scare stories emerge on a regular basis....if there is even the slightest suggestion of concern the Govt would be negligent not to mention it and make some degree of a contingency plan, the fact that the manufacturers do not envisage a problem should be enough to stop everyone screaming it from the rooftop as impending doom.
     
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    We produce 1% of our own.

    isn't that an opportunity for growth of a UK business and more jobs?

    Rather than business constantly flowing out from the uk
     
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  16. shenk1

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    So it COULD happen and peoples health Could suffer,,,,triffic :rolleyes:.

    IF they can't get vital medicines into the country due to border hold ups how are other goods going to be affected ?
     
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  18. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

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    The manufacturers are clear, they do not expect any problems.
     
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    It’s nothing but scaremongering, No one can say either way if this will happen but it could, but equally it could carry on as normal.
    MSN has been very good at releasing these type stories ever since the vote.
    Of course you are right to be worried as we all would in your shoes.
     
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  20. shenk1

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    Expecting is different to knowing especially as the details of leaving aren't known.

    I personally don't think there will be a problem with medicines (mainly because I don't think we will leave ;) ) but goods are a different matter.
     
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