Andy Murray's retirement..

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  1. Old

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    What do you sound like? As if anyone cares.
     
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    No but most of us think that a 19 year old having a bit of a joke at his English training teams expense is easily forgettable.

    Bizarre that so many people got hung up on that given the kind of controversies many other sports stars have been involved in
     
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    It’s bizarre that people think we should all love him. As for greatest British Sportsman... Do me a favour, he’s not even the greatest Scottish Sportsperson.
     
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    Couldn’t lace McEnroe,Borg,Conner,Becker’s Naddals boots,and they made him a SIR.
    You’re having a laugh aren’t you. The most monotonous,miserable interviewer ever.
    AND THATS MY OPINION WHICH I AM ENTITLED TO IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT
    ONE THEN FAIR ENOUGH,EACH TO THEIR OWN.
     
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    You’re entitled to your opinion, and your shouty capitals. Just as we’re entitled to point out that it’s one of the most dumb-ass opinions ever posted on here.

    Mohammad Ali - a racist, Islamic fundamentalist and a bully ‘the greatest sportsman of all time’.

    Andy Murray - once made a joke about the England football team ‘what a lovely person’.
     
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    A great post. Nicely sums up my own experience of watching a procession of Brits strive to scale the heights that Murray, in the toughest of all tennis eras, would eventually reach, and the bloke that I think he is.

    Couple of things I'd take issue with: 1) while I remain unconvinced tennis belongs at the Olympics, those gold medal wins were huge moments for him and significant steps along the road to scaling the aforementioned heights - that epic win against an inspired Del Potro (and the crowd) in 2016 was brutal and magnificent; 2) even given his brilliant playing career I don't believe he warrants a knighthood - that should really have come after literally a lifetime of service to British tennis/sport etc.

    Having spent my whole lifetime waiting for a Brit to properly challenge at Wimbledon, those Murray victories meant the world to me and I'll never forget either of them. I'm not ashamed to say that when he got to 40 - love when serving for the title against Djokovic in 2013, I just started blubbing, even the typical last minute drama couldn't stop the flood of emotion. An incredible day for British tennis and sport in general.

    If the Aussie Open is to be his last hurragh, he goes with head held high, and will in time hopefully come to appreciate the fact that he's been not just our best ever tennis player, but one of the very best tennis players of all time. There's a handful of blokes who might reasonably be considered the best ever British sportsman, and he certainly belongs in that group.
     
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    Who thinks we should all love him? It’s up to each individual to decide who they like.

    Just can’t understand why people are happy to forget sportsmen taking drugs, fighting, cheating but Murray still gets stuck about a joke when he was 19.

    I’ve not proclaimed him to be ‘our greatest’ or anything like that. I think it’s always tough to judge. I’d love some examples of better ones, I’m pretty young so it’s hard to judge for me
     
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    I think it’s pretty clear that he isn’t anti English whatsoever.
     
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    Alan Brazil has been getting stick for what he said on his Talk Sport show with Jim White, saying Murray shouldn't have cried. Unpopular opinion but I agree. Save the crying for something that deserves tears such as a death or serious illness and not for when you can't add to the tens of millions of pounds already in your bank account, whilst living in your Surrey mansion.
     
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    Tears dont get turned on like a tap . Emotions whatever they may be brought on by eg sad films. Programmes like Aushwitz. Music. Reunions. Bring on tears. Or are you one of those that 1. Doesn't cry or 2 goes and hides to cover up your emotions cos it's unmanly. Sometimes the tears flow naturally. Take a look at thissen.
     
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    yeah but alan brazil's a lovely person. so it doesn't really count.
     
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    lout of that list none of them except Nadal would have beaten Murray in his prime on a regular basis.
    Better personalities yes, more entertaining yes but not better players
     
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    Murray wouldn’t have got close to connors.

    All of that list were absolute amazing. Andy Murray was inconsistent and good when he didn’t come up against the other good players or if said good players were coming out of injury or not in form. He wasn’t amazing he was good.
     
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    That's a bit like the attitude that tells young lads that they're gay if they cry or that they're weak if they cry. You know what that attitude does? It causes people to suffer in silence. It causes people to grow up without knowing how to share their emotions. It causes damaged people.

    If a woman cried you'd have no proboep with it. A man gets upset and cries and he is slated because in your opinion he shouldn't have emotions unless someone has died.
     
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    Despite the fact that play is quicker and a lot more physical,
    Look at when Becker came in scene everyone said he was unplayable due to his serve, yet the top players consistently beat his fastest serve as the norm.
    It’s like saying Jesse Owens would beat Bolt at 100m, different era different standards.
    Connors was exceptional for his era though
     
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    I agree, we are only ever able to judge players on their era... as such Murray was good. At best.
     
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    2019, depression is comfortably the biggest killer of men under 50 and still a bloke can’t cry or display any emotions unless someone’s died. Mind you there’s a lot of subjects on this forum where the attitudes are half a century out of date so I shouldn’t be surprised.

    Each to their own, but I’ll not be bringing my kids up thinking repressed emotions are the norm.
     
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    ‘Good at best’.

    Wow. If Murray’s only good at best what does that make every other tennis player of his era not called Federer, Nadal or Djokovic?

    He’s been top 4 in the world for most of the last decade including a spell as number one, he’s won Wimbledon twice, US open once & Olympic gold. You’ve got incredibly high standards.

    God knows how **** you must think Del Potro, Waswrinka & co are
     
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    Andy Murray has crashed out in the first round of the Australian Open in
    a five set match against Spaniard Roberto Bautista Agut. He needs to consider his position
    very carefully now , as quite clearly his hip condition is hampering his normal very high standards
    of performance.
     

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