Transfer window - Different this time?

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  1. Wat

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    Partly because Brad was our second most productive player in terms of the sum of league goals and assists.

    Partly because we haven't followed our stated policy of not letting go without replacement.

    Partly because, in my view, when we have won tight games this season it has been due to a small core of players, Pinnock, Mowatt, Moore/Woodrow and Potts (plus Dougall when fit). Reducing that pool by a quarter coming in to a run of games against teams that we need to beat, not draw against, seems to put undue risk into an automatic promotion bid.

    And partly because we can't afford to lose any ground on the top three via a home game - they simply don't drop that many points that we can continue to fall further behind.

    (Obviously criminal in a footballing / progress towards automatic promotion sense, not legally :D).

    Just my view but if I was running a business in which the reward for getting the product right was £6m, I wouldn't want to lose one of my four most productive employees and not replace them before the next production run was due.
     
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    That will be the Nigerian Goal keeper i would think
     
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    100% agree mate, a think what will be will be in football these days, I’m disappointmented that he left but going on the Woodrow/Bradshaw transfer I’d be happy if it planned out like that
     
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    Best post on here for some while. Spot on, hitting the nail on the head plus any other cliches you care to add
     
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    The problem with that is that we dropped so many points whilst waiting for Woodrow. Can we afford to start throwing away points during a promotion battle while we wait for them to get round to replacing the player they've just ripped straight out of the starting 11?
     
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    Very much agree with exile....if we are professional and serious about our objectives....we still seem very eager for players to leave (for a price)....but recruitment takes longer.
    I'm told we have a team of young lads (well 2!) who constantly complie lists on suitable players and then do more homework to bring them in having had a chat with our coach.
    Now the Potts issue he has been allowed to leave within 2 days....there is no way a club just phones up and does a deal in 48 hours.....so that means at least a week or more.....so (I'll forgive them the cup) why have we let one of more influential players ...without a replacement?
    As exile says if we drop points today............
     
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    Or more likely Mateo
     
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    We may not have had a say in when Potts left if he had a buy out clause and we are not in control of when a player comes In unless we are buying out their contract or the players available and wants to come and not wait for all offers.
     
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    I'm still confused by this school of thought.

    If he had a release clause (which it appears he did) then what are the club meant to do? Once the release clause has been triggered they have to let him speak to Preston right? They cant just keep hold of him until they find a replacement.

    Granted the club could (and should) have targets to replace him in the eventuality he leaves - but we can't rule out that thats not the case. Just because a replacement hasn't been brought in 9 days after Potts has gone doesn't mean we're not working on his replacement.

    I'd rather the club take weeks rather than days if it means the replacement is the right one.

    The owners have brought in Woodrow, Moore and Dougall which to my mind is a pretty decent start in terms of calibre of player. I'd expect that to continue.
     
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    Very true if he did have a release clause and Preston met it, we can't say give us a few week untill we find a replacement and then you can speak with him sadly doesn't work like that.
     
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    It seems to me that this release clause notion is another example of mere speculation slowly becoming excepted as fact.
    To the best of my knowledge the club has never said that there was a release clause involved, which they might well have used to fend of some of the flak they’ve been getting. Also Herr Winkler is quoted has saying “we can’t believe the amount” in ref to the offer PNE put in. So why the surprise at the amount if a release clause value was activated?
     
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    Hence why i said 'If he had a release clause'.

    It makes no sense for the club to turn down 2 million for Thiam and accept 2 million for Potts - so its a pretty reasonable assumption that some kind of clause was in his contract.

    I would imagine the majority of release clauses are over-inflated to some degree in order to deter other clubs from paying it. If someone was to match an over-inflated release clause - then surely you would be surprised? If you expected someone to match the amount - you'd try and make it more surely?

    Without knowing the ins and outs of the club contracts none of us will really know - its all really speculation - so I'm not going to knock the clubs transfer dealing without the facts. I personally am only going off the fact the club turned down 2 million for Thiam as a comparison. If they we're purely after selling assets off then surely they'd have cashed in on him instead?
     
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    Not sure too many would have objected if we made a million and sold him either
     
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    Yeah It’s all speculation and conjecture. I was just presenting the case for the other side
     
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    Guessing that will be the Uruguayan U23 who slipped out accidentally last week and post was then deleted.
    Guess international clearance would be required for him.
     
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    ALL this speculation is what the BB is about. People are expressing concerns, albeit indirectly about the intentions and/or competence of the owners and background staff . However,.......
    Are we playing attractive entertaining football?
    Are we on target for the playoffs (at the very least)?
    Have the players we have signed under the new ownership been producing the goods?
    Are we not in a far better place regarding team and supporter morale than we have been for some considerable period of time?

    IMHO the answer to all those is Yes. So any speculation about the management running a selling club only for short term profit rather than being "in it for the long term" (which they have already stated they are) is far outweighed by the direct evidence we are seeing re team performances and improving players and in the recruitment to date. My one huge concern would be the loss of the Stendel and Winkler partnership who have to be credited with the turnaround of team performances and players development.
     
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    Not only the club dictates what’s in a release clause .
    If his agent thinks the club are putting over inflated release clauses in to hinder his players future progress then he will advise him not to sign .
    Players with potential will depend on their agents to deal with clubs and a fee deemed to be fair by both parties will be drawn up . If the player has a few suitors it’s a case of which club is better suited for his development and clauses etc . If we don’t meet they don’t sign . It’s not all one way
     
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    Cant disagree with that - I was just giving a theory as to why Winkler might have been surprised by the PNE offer.

    I think its more likely he had a release clause around the 2-2.5 million mark (instead of 4/5 million etc).

    That being said its all just speculation.
     
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    It is speculation we’ll never know the in and outs of how transfers are worked out tbh unless someone writes a book.
    But reading some fans posts they seem to think BFC holds all the cards and we dictate fully what goes Into contracts /agreements etc .
    Make no bones about it agents have their fingers on the trigger as far as negotiating goes and if it doesn’t suit their players or their players prospects they won’t advise to sign and same goes for club so hard negotiations will take place imo:
    We may have been forced into a release clause with some but if it’s a case of not having player at all then we negotiate something where we get something out of it gone are the days when club holds all the cards
     
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