The best thing I’ve read in a long while

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  1. pompey_red

    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...brexit-britain-state-politics-fit-for-purpose

    What we see with the lid off and the fog of fantasies at last beginning to dissipate is the truth that Brexit is much less about Britain’s relationship with the EU than it is about Britain’s relationship with itself. It is the projection outwards of an inner turmoil. An archaic political system had carried on even while its foundations in a collective sense of belonging were crumbling. Brexit in one way alone has done a real service: it has forced the old system to play out its death throes in public. The spectacle is ugly, but at least it shows that a fissiparous four-nation state cannot be governed without radical social and constitutional change.
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    But will it change - there is no interest in the labour or tory parties of electoral reform - if there was a general election tomorrow the 2 main parties are both commited to Brexit - even though the latest polls show 58% now think we should can the whole thing - who do they vote for because they will still be the 2 main parties - I can see the break up of the UK - scotland would be off like a shot if asked again at the moment and a united Ireland is also a distict possibility - that would nicely condem those left in England (and possibly wales) to more of the same whilst the country crumbles
     
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    Agree completely... we badly need a new or several political party to enter the fray as there are around 50% of voters, plus the youth coming through who have no home. Greens and LibDems are very much fringe and not sure they have a base to springboard to anything seismic and why would Labour change or the Tories change when they have their status quo's?

    But that article and the goings on of the last few months show how ridiculous parliament is, and how divided the nation is. You can have 300 back to back referendums and the country would still be as divided. If pro EU backbenchers triggered by elections... would they be voted in under a new party? Would the status quo continue... genuinely no idea where we go or how.

    Though if we leave the EU with no deal, and there is a hint of the Kingdom breaking up... unless London became a republic, I very much doubt I would wish to stay in this country through choice.
     
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    Voted Labour all my life. Corbyn's attitude to Brexit (pre and post-referendum) means I can't vote for the party whilst he is leader.
     
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    #LetsGoWTO 58% of some biased/slanted poll says people want to cancel Brexit altogether?

    I could poll the members of the Leave means Leave campaign asking two questions;

    1. would you rather stay in the fantastic, wonderful EU and be fantastically wealthy?

    or

    2. Stick with Brexit and be destitute forever?

    A poll can come up with ANY figures you want them to.
     
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    I'm impressed old gimmer, not many people actually know what his attitude is to Brexit
     
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    Then your doing yourself a disservice not voting imo .
    Labour isn’t Corbyn it isn’t even his policies they are democratically voted for policies by the membership .
    Yes Corbyns view on the EU isn’t my view but he has to adhere to party rules and policies otherwise he can easily be shown the door .
    Don’t make the mistakes others are and listening to the media crucifying Corbyn . They think it’s a weak link in the labour armour . Make no mistake about it if labour weren’t a threat May would have been gone on Tuesday and a GE called if they thought they could win .
    How two faced can a party get when it brings its own no confidence motion then the same people vote confidence in her in a far more major one.
    They are running scared mate make no bones about that whether it be Corbyn or not this lot are done .
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Im not saying for one minute that a second referendum would give 58% remain - but the figure would almost certainly be somewhere around 50% give or take a few percent either way.

    My point was there is approximately half the country who think after 2.5 years the government have demonstrated a good for all Brexit is not achievable. We have nowhere sensible to put their vote if there was a GE as both main parties are still saying they plan to implement brexit - even though its proving impossible to find a solution that meets the promises of the vote leave (and some prominent brexit politicians)
     
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    somewhere around 50%? you mean, for example 48%? been there, done that. Out means out.
     
    Sabre-toothed Tyke, Jan 18, 2019
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    Don't think it will. Thank God.
     
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    Every time I hear that phrase I automatically give my head a little shake.
     
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    keep shaking until the fog clears.
     
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    Sabre-toothed Tyke Well-Known Member

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    no, me neither. be closer to 40 than 50. Mark my words.
     
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    Old Gimmer Well-Known Member

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    ??
     
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    A newspaper on a par with the mail for its reporting quality.
     
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    shenk1 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the advice....clear as a bell now.

    I'll not advise you to do it as the rattling sound might hurt your ears.
     
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    2nd referendum result in favour of leave.
     
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    Sabre-toothed Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Look, as I have mentioned in other posts folk up north are dead set in their ways... you are not going to convince me that having unelected bureaucrats in charge of our country is a good thing, and I am not going to convince you that a sovereign Britain would be better off. History will be the judge.
     
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    shenk1 Well-Known Member

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    They are elected by citizens of their own countries.....unlike the Queen who you want to regain sovereignty for.
     
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    Sabre-toothed Tyke Well-Known Member

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    not so. I would get shut of those free-loaders tonight if I could.
     
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