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    Once again we had a very bad referee. Referees should be selected from players who have graduated playing from the football league association. At any level the referees should be able to determine a 49, 51 challenge and the only way this happens is when that ref has played and understands the game in play.
     
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    Is their any reason they can’t take up refereeing once their careers are at an end ?
    I’m not sure but I think there’s no rules stoping them .
    Maybe money is an issue but i don’t think the rules are in the way .
     
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    Why would a retired player want to be a referee?

    What would they have to gain?

    Refs get pelters anyway, they’d get much worse based on who they used to play for - plus who would they be able to ref?

    You’re not allowed to ref clubs from your area - add to that all the clubs they played for, plus their immediate rivals probably - they’d never be seen to be impartial for anyone.

    Refereeing is a separate and different skill to playing. It needs to be honed and perfected over time.

    Starting out as a ref at 35 when you stop playing - at one point are they ready for the top level?

    And what, pray tell, is a 49 51 challenge? Sounds like you’re making sound bites up to try and prove a point.

    A point that, for me, is very flawed anyway.

    A retired, dog eared league one and two centre half, is not going to have the same perception of a strong tackle on an annoyingly quick winger as a retired, formerly annoyingly quick winger.

    If mo salah became a ref there’d be four penalties a game.

    If Roy Keane did, there’d never be a red card, ever. Fouls would be rare!

    And what on earth makes you think the average footballer knows all the rules?
     
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    Thought the ref ok yesterday. He let stuff go on both sides. Towards the end of the first half when he gave us a fair few free kicks I thought he'd give more their way second half.
     
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    What did he do that was so bad? He could easily have given Burton a pen just after they scored, and he also gave us a pen that no one appealed for.

    Pretty anonymous ref from what I could see. That's what you want.
     
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    ?? I thought he was by some distance our best player.
     
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    First of all you wouldn't get prem players reffing and would think it pathetic to think of such a thing but you hear of retired players from div 1 and lower looking for work and finding it difficult to fit in anything other than football.
    The F.A retires officials at 44 but giving the advantage of having played and being really fit the retiring age could be extended.
    By the way what is a 49...51 challenge I'll keep you guessing....any other suggestions ?
     
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    There was one ex-player who refereed around the turn of the century - Steve Baines I think he was called.

    I thought he was okay and he was notable for having a relatively low card rate. Don't think we ever lost with him in charge, including an ever-so-rare win over QPR when Higgy got a late winner.
     
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    It’s been done before, they got fast- tracked through the system, and one I Remember was called Steve Baines a former Chesterfield player, Nice smile, **** Ref. In the early-mid 1990s a decision was made to recruit younger and fitter Refs, many that were climbing the ladder after finishing playing at grass roots level were all of a sudden deemed too old. Many of today’s Refs have never played at any level. Fitter perhaps, but that’s it.
     
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    This idea is just so flawed it’s barely worth discussing.
    As others have pointed out, there is hardly a long queue of ex pros asking for this opportunity. Why would they? You have to be a bit crazy to want to take this route in the first place.
    A league ref has to go through considerable levels of training to get to where they are. Im sorry, but just because you play the game does not mean that you know ALL the rules and how to interpret them.
    You may have a better understanding of how players work, but that’s of little use if you don’t know the intricate rules.
    I get as frustrated as the next person with refs but until players at all levels (including junior) respect the refs and appreciatebthey may make mistakes, then nothing will improve. Id like to see refs explain their decisions live like they do in rugby, but i expect the lack of respect from the terraces would make it impossible. Chicken and egg.
     
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    Hi, with regards to the Ref on Saturday I thought he had a very good game on the whole, it was a very good spot for the Blatant dive in the first ten minutes I was 10 yards from the incident and at the last moment our player pulled out of the tackle but Boyce skillfully dived to make it look like a foul. There was no or minimal contact on the challenge, however I was a little surprised he gave our's which he indicated was for a pull back by the No 5. He did not get every decision correct but no Ref ever does.
    Secondly, as someone who got to the Professional Game Match Officials elite Linemans list (Asst. Ref), Ex pros will not take up refereeing for several reasons, 1. They know how much abuse and hassle they give officials during their career and would not want the same!!, 2. The money is not enough, the wage for a Level 1 Referee (Premier League) is circa £2,000 a week even League 1 and 2 players are on 3 or 4 times that in many cases. 3. You would be surprised how many of the players do not know the Laws of the game, don't forget they spend most of their lives trying to circumvent them(cheat!). 4. They do not, in a lot of cases, have the man management skills to deal with 22 players all with different personalities, mind you neither do some of the current match officials.
     
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    Good points...I'm a retired qualified and was registered referee of 25 years. In the nineties the referee's once had the power of discretionary power which had a bigger clout than today. Today's football is run by the rules of the game and your right to say some of the players dont know them. Even the off side rule ( the player is deemed off side when he receives or interferes with the ball ). An ex player will have a better understanding of the game and will interpret the laws. So i think and its just my opinion that an ex player will make a better ref. I know because i was that ref. My career finished officiating for David Beckhams Academy in London and was awarded medals throughout my career which I'm profoundly proud of.
     

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