Ruiz new champ..

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  1. YTB

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    Hearing from a journo I know who covers boxing that he (Josh) was out all night in Miami recently, then got knocked out clean in sparring the next session.

    I’ve watched the fight back three times now and that wasn’t the usual AJ. Despite me believing he’s not as good as one or two others, the usual AJ would have had no issues with Ruiz.

    Interesting times. Makes the division more interesting anyway.
     
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    Could blow things wide open if a mandatory is called and Ruiz drops a belt though in doubt they will.
    Even if AJ win the rematch doubt they will be in any rush to face Wilder now in one sense but in the other they may want to cash in.
    All that assuming AJ can win a rematch. I've said all along I don't think he would beat Wildwr or Fury.
     
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    Loads of rumours doing the rounds. Forced to fight with a concussion is one I believe the least.

    Panic attack in the dressing room pre-fight is another. Not sure I believe that either, but something went on in that dressing room. Hearn came up with the protective guard change, then interrupted AJ at the post fight press conference to give that same answer and AJ didn’t really know what was being said or why he was being interrupted.

    The truth will out.

    Think you’re still not giving Ruiz enough credit. Talented boxer. Outside of ‘the three’ he’s the one that will give you the best fight - whether you’re Wilder, Fury or AJ.
     
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    Al Haymon has no power in this negotiation really. Saying he wants the rematch in Mexico is just playing to the legacy and fan base he’s just created.

    Can see it being in the US again, but likely pack the O2 with seriously expensive tickets and a weak undercard. Not sure AJ could see out the Millenium Stadium on the back of a defeat.
     
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    Ed Sheeran managed it & he's sh!te.
     
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    Most probably true, wouldn't surprise me if the location was set in the contract. But I'd it isn't then they have to negotiate it. It can all get very messy, I don't think it will though. Ruiz will likely fancy his chances of beating him again. Huge pressure on Joshua for the rematch, if he loses again the massive pay days he's used to will come to a shuddering holt.
     
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    Ruiz stands to earn $10 million dollars plus for the rematch. AJ will likely push it back to late October/early November as well, so plenty of endorsement money for him to earn as well in the run up.
     
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    Papa Joshua didn’t look happy with Fast Eddie afterwards.
     
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    Biggest pay day of his life for certain, what a story for him.
     
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    The Anthony Joshua rumours (unconfirmed)

    - Potential panic attack pre fight
    - Potentially KO’D in sparring before fight
    - Potentially went into fight with a cut

    Maybe it’s time we just give Ruiz Jr credit who was brilliant.
    The rematch should be interesting and I guess we will find out then.
     
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    Basically the rumours I shared in the link to my tweet above. The only rumour that hasn't been denied from the ones you mention is the cut as we all saw the bruising around his left eye in his Friday interview.

    I don't think anyone is not giving Ruiz credit. But it's clear as day something wasn't right. Multiple videos have surfaced this morning and they show that AJ wasn't himself - now it might as simple as he bottled it away from home with the pressure. But the gumshield biting, the squinting, the glazed look, punching his own face, squeezing his nose, etc. All very, very strange behaviour.
     
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    Yeah I agree watching it back it dowa all look a bit odd. Maybe we will never know.
    Thought Ruiz was very gutsy basically waited Joshua to open up and fight on the inside so he could take advantage of his fast hands. If Joshua had stayed disciplined and on the outside Ruiz wouldn't have had much of a chance. Maybe he underestimated him, maybe it was the occasion. If he was dropped in sparing and went onto to fight then I would be shocked they would risk it all like that.
    Keeping in mind how low he had been out of the ring too probably didn't help. Perhaps a perfect storm of circumstances sums it up best.
     
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  16. YTB

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    He spoke well.

    "He came from nowhere, he came out of the gutter, brought up with no money, he changed his stars and changed his life.

    "He’s probably worth $70million, he’s done well in his life and career. He’s been the heavyweight champion of the world. If that’s a failure then I don’t know what isn't a failure.

    "He’s definitely done well in his career, but everybody bumps into that one person that can knock them out any time.

    "Unfortunately for AJ, it was the little fat fella from California who chinned him."
     
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    I don’t really like all these conspiracy theories & that something was wrong in the build up etc. It takes away from Ruiz’s brilliant win.

    Nothing looked wrong before the first knockdown, he boxed perfectly normal.

    What he did was the same as what he did when Whyte & Klitschko hurt him which was get reckless when he’d hurt his opponent & end up taking a huge shot in return.

    He never seemed to recover from that shot & seemingly fought concussed for the rest of the fight. It happens. Froch was in that state in the first Groves fight & he too gave a baffling interview afterwards like Joshua did Saturday.

    There’s no way that Eddie Hearn sends his biggest cash cow into his American debut in no fit state to box. If he’d been getting beat up in sparring they’d have put the date back.

    And the lad who’d supposedly knocked him out in sparring - Kabayel wasn’t even a sparring partner for this fight! Which probably tells you to ignore any rumours
     
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    Nobody is taking anything away from Ruiz at all. But I think it's pretty obvious something wasn't right. It might be that he just bottled it on the big stage, but there's enough to suggest in his body language, actions, pre-fight cuts and bruising, Dad shouting at Hearn, Hearn not being himself throughout the fight night, gum shield, glazed eyes, etc. that this wasn't the normal AJ.

    Kabayel was sparring him in Sheffield and in and around the gym (not in Miami though). But if you read the story that I posted above it isn't Kabayel they're suggesting did the damage in sparring anyway.
     
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    I don’t. I don’t think think he boxes like he does up until the first knockdown if something isn’t right.

    I think people are reading too much into little things to try & find circumstantial evidence that things went wrong beforehand.

    There might have been a few extra nerves with it been his first fight abroad but that’s normal.

    Hearn would’ve been eat up. One of his biggest prospects Josh Kelly only drew & could’ve easily lost his 0. Katie Taylor was in a war & got a bit of a lucky decision to win. I’ve no doubt Hearn was stressed.

    He only had a slight mark by his eye. Pretty common. I’ve seen fighters turn up to fight week press conferences with far worse. George Groves once had a black eye at his final press conference.

    His dad was most likely pissed off that this ‘easy touch’ Ruiz was a lot better than Hearn had told him he was.

    The original fake sparring story was Kabayel, once they realised they ****** up it started getting changed to Joey something or other.

    Excuses come out after every Joshua fight. Carrying too much muscle for Wlad, didn’t have time to adapt to Takam, ill for the Povetkin fight & now several for this fight. I honestly wouldn’t read anything into it.
     
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