Liam Lindsay.

Perfectly sums up my personal opinion, too, old mate.

 

A much improved defender especially with the ball at his feet but honestly think he’s replaceable would be more gutted to lose Pinnock. Would hope it’s going to be busy regarding players coming into the club in the next two weeks surely.

 

Any club which uses stats as part of their recruitment will have Lindsay high on their list. Analysis from last year backs this up.

 

Are stoke desperate can,t find a better centre half than him for 3 million bring it on.

 

You could also say the one v Wimbledon he got away with or the pen he gave away v Burnley or the goal we conceded v Oxford away was his fault. But over the course of the season he has been ever present in the best defence in league one and has been very good on the whole.
I still think a player is never going to be at his best when the players around him are getting chopped and changed every week. We will see if he is good enough stoke obviously think he will be or they wouldn't be parting with 3million.

 

Just imagine when these mistakes are more severely punished in the Championship. Still, that might be Stoke's problem rather than ours.

 

One of the reasons why Morgan was reckless, is that a group of his mates used to stand
on the Ponte Road terraces encouraging him to go in hard against an opponent. Whenever
he " floored" anyone, they used to cheer loudly and then start laughing at his antics.

 

I can believe that. I have to say I loved him in a red shirt, he just needed to get his head sorted out a bit, but to some extent that was his game. In my opinion he saved us more times than he lost us points due to his over exuberance. I'm not commenting on his Sheff Utd days, just with us. A good manager at the time would have helped (Spackman, Hodges, Parkin in the latter years), he was player of the year under Bassett, who I thought was a great manager for us.

 

2million rising to 2.5 million now according to sky sports news it's varying from 2 million to 3million depending on the journo reporting it.

 

You could also say his goal against Blackpool was the one that promoted us.

 

There's a few stating that if by selling Lindsay, we keep Pinnock, then they're OK with that. I agree that Pinnock is the better player (Lindsay is a good centre half, Pinnock is, in my opinion, exceptional) but I don't think one thing has anything to do with the other. They both have just one year left on their contracts. We'll accept bids on both if those bids meet our valuation. Selling one of them will have no bearing on whether or not we keep the other. If they sign new contracts we'll still sell them if the bids meet our valuation. That valuation will be higher the longer the contract is, but they'll still have a price. As it stands neither have signed a new contract so their sale is, imho, inevitable. They're both too good for other teams not have noticed and to not attempt to sign them.

It's a great shame, Lindsay is a good player and Pinnock a fantastic one, but we've already been told what will happen and what the club is about. We buy young and relatively cheap with lots of potential and sell at a profit. And if they've entered the final year of their contract we will accept bids. But I don't think we even need that caveat, we'll accept bids if the price is right even if they have four years left on a contract.

It'll not always work. If what we reportedly paid for McGeehan was correct, we'll struggle to get any more than that for him with only one year left on a contract. I'm not saying he's crap, he's a decent player, but will probably be valued at a similar amount or less than what we paid for him.

I was hoping we could keep the squad together, but really I knew that wasn't going to happen. We may sign someone as good or better than Lindsay, but I doubt they'll be up to speed straight away. Or we may not. I highly doubt we'll find another as good as Pinnock. They're few and far between at all levels, rare as hen's teeth at the prices we can afford. Having said that, I do trust those in charge of recruitment to spend the money wisely. I just think where the system falls down is it takes the kind of players we buy about a year or so to begin to realise their potential and we could find ourselves relegated again. We need a bit of stability, and the layering that was once spoken of, ready made replacements already in the squad, already up to speed when we do sell, but I don't think we can afford to do that. We sell then recruit, starting over again and there are too many changes in key positions to give us much of a chance of competing. Losing your keeper and two centre halves after promotion, which looks likely to me, puts us at a massive disadvantage to the rest of the division as it's very unlikely their replacements will have any experience of the division in which they're about to play or of their team mates and style of play we adopt. It's too big an ask.

 

Ye lindsay is rubbish, part of the best defence in the EFL scored the winning goal that got us up and cost £350k leaving us a tidy profit if he goes. This thread reflects a lot

 

We kept Davies because we needed him to get promoted despite now going on a free. I'm hoping if Lindsay goes we do the same with Pinnock, at least until January to allow new players to bed in. We lose both plus our keeper and we re on the back foot already. The positive is that the club have rejected bids last year.

 

Could indeed. I could pick bad and good in every player but overall like I've said in this thread Lindsay has been a good player for us last season and I don't like judging him on the one before in the championship when the back four and whole team got changed every week.

 

My one worry was giving away needless free kicks/penalties this season. We shall have to wait and see I suppose.

 

As does this post.

 

Fully agree

 

Good summary FT.
Agree with that, would also say not the finished article yet and so another year here with a partner he understands could benefit him and us.
Sign the extensions offered lads.
You have another 10 years to cash in with the "big bucks clubs".
You get the opportunity to prove you are worth more and the club is paid what you are worth for developing you.

 

'LIke for like' replacements I can understand but if you have player you are keen to keep near, or at end of contract, a wages cap makes little sense to me. if a player replacement for someone like Davies were to cost, say, £1.5m , over 36 months that is a capital outlay of over £41k per month, .... in very simplistic terms of the balance sheet, reatining the player with 20k per week equates to a new £1.5m signing (unknown ) on £10k pw .
Obiviously the bigger the transfer fee for the replacement the bigger offset re wage and capital outlay. Not sure how a capital outlay is tax deductible for a player 'asset' like capital equipment purchases but wages must be a 100% deductible in terms of profit and loss. SO do wage caps really make as much sense as people say (notwithstanding FFP rules) I suppose we are back to the BB prinicple but unearthing gems to develop must get increasing difficult in a higher league however good your scouting system.

I know all the above is simplistic in terms of business finance but just curious as to how the owners reconcile it.

 

Ye imagine