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  1. KamikazeCo-Pilot

    KamikazeCo-Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Given that the club has sold 3 centre backs and a goalie who collectively (including Jackson) helped Barnsley get promoted with a good defensive record it is perfectly understandable that fans feel concerned/disillusioned to varying degrees. However, at the moment it is still relatively early days, no ball has been kicked, the quality of replacements is undetermined and may prove to be better when finalised. The team may be stronger, it may be weaker. No one knows yet. Lets see what the first few games of the season suggest before slitting any wrists.
    As for the 'the club are selling cheap like they always do' comments again it may be prudent to hold fire on the criticism until the players who have been and are yet to be bought prove how prudent or imprudent the board are being.
    No one likes to see players leave when they've made a contribution but let's wait and see shall we?
     
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    Sprotbrough Red Well-Known Member

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    Well said, the thing most seem to be forgetting is Davies, Lindsey and Pinnock all struggled at championship level the season before and are been judged on a good season in league 1, maybe just maybe to board have longer memories than some and feel they would struggle again,
    Just a thought....
     
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    As we have seen before, the Championship is a hard place to learn. However, who wants to go back to the dark days after the ITV deal collapsed and before Patrick Cryne came in? And I think we can all see that the players sold this summer have been in accordance with a clear plan, and not for reasons of cashing in or desperation due to a perilous financial situation. The clear aim is to gradually improve the quality of recruits and apply the current strategy at a higher level. Who knows whether it will work, but recent recruitment has been good on the whole.

    Is this how we'll look:

    Collins

    Cavare Anderson Sibbick Pinillos

    Mowatt Dougall McGeehan Bahre

    Woodrow Moore

    Subs: Green, Williams, Thomas, Thiam, Radlinger, Williams, Brown

    Doesn't look too shabby, assuming 1) No further exits and 2) Anderson and Sibbick adapt rapidly.
     
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    I agree. We have sold unproven championship players for reasonable sums. Would like us to take a tougher stance and get these things done earlier, giving players less time to consider our offer... They and their agents have too much power

    Israel could have a good team with all the ex red Ben Shwarmas
     
  5. Terry Nutkins

    Terry Nutkins Well-Known Member

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    The problem is, that teams far weaker than last season, and the owners are sitting on yet another profit of circa 5-6 million.

    This is after years of sitting on millions of profits without any real investment in the squad.

    If we are replacing a £6m centre half in Pinnock (that’s more his worth than the £3m we seem to have got for him) with a young lad who’s played about 30 games for a team who were pretty gash last season, in the division below then I’m worried.
     
  6. Artisan-baker-red

    Artisan-baker-red Well-Known Member

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    I think there's good points being made.
    We are financially sound, which means that all incoming transfer fees can be spent getting players in on better contacts, and aim for the top end of the spreadsheet.

    Players are being brought in early. Anderson and Sibbick have a whole month to get to know each other and understand how they play.
    I hope that the board and Danny can have all the recruits in before the training camp, and the lads can really gel.
    I'll be honest my confidence dipped after both Lindsey and Pinnock were sold, but you know what, I have every confidence that we'll hit the ground running.
    Yes we'll have some dodgy results... But I think we'll hold our own.

    COYR
     
  7. Terry Nutkins

    Terry Nutkins Well-Known Member

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    Which is hope more than substance. For 90% of last season I thought we could be a mid table championship team with the same squad plus additions.

    We are now far weaker and we’re starting again with another team potentially. We do this far too much for my liking.

    We’ve got about £10m of extra money so far this summer, we’ve spent about £2m and I’ll only consider us to be any better off from a squad perspective if we spend the other £8m on about 4 more players of a standard I’d expect to make us better or at least on a par with last season.
     
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    This

    Suspect about £500k to £1m will go on the lad from Leeds.

    Perhaps some gone on wages for the new contracts.

    However if there is a big black hole after all the rhetoric about every penny going into the playing squad then there will be trouble ahead. People aren’t daft.

    I expect to see evidence of this money spent and going back into the team.

    There is also the money from Potts - which hasn’t been spent in full.
     
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  9. Dan

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    Agree with this.

    I think what galls me most about this is just not getting the right fees for our players. Brentford have done a fantastic piece of business. Less than £3m (spread over 3 years) outlay having sold their player for £12m. Lets say they pay him £20k a week for 3 years, that's £3m. Still a £6m surplus plus a future transfer value in likely 12 months when lower Prem or higher champ clubs have the confidence to go for him.

    That's how you do it.

    The other issue is the impact of this high intensity transfer dealing. It's exhausting. The resource to have to replace continually, the upheaval of constant comings and goings, the attrition and negative impact on the fan base with so much flux and perhaps worst, the impact on the coaching set up having to start from scratch over an again. The time it takes to get accustomed to how everyone plays and their strengths.

    They've spent 12 months grooving a style of play, of which the transitions playing forward from defence to attack, and the phases of recovery from midfield to defence are really important. Stendel and his assistants now have to teach a brand new defensive unit our style of play. And its probably dawning on Daniel that this is how it will likely be next summer, maybe even in January.

    I saw his interview only yesterday and he looked downbeat to me. It must be a huge grind coming back to a country that's not your own having left your family behind again and then within weeks the core of your defence has vanished. I really feel for Stendel. And sadly I can't see him extending his contract.
     
  10. Artisan-baker-red

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    We have got plenty of cash, and yes it'd be great to spend all of that on recruits, but if the spread sheet (that found Pinnock, Lindsay et al) says they have great potential and they only cost £500k... Why should we fork out £2m+.

    Terry, and I'm not looking for an argument, or being picky, and I'm not a massive happy clapper... but.... At this stage of the pre season, would you take championship survival? then the following season, with a team full of 4 year contacts and a years experience under there belts and a few "top-ups", cement our place back in the second tear?

    Id take that.
     
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    Where does money for wages come from then?
    If the lad comes from Leeds he will probably on £10k a week, that’s 1/2 a million for one year on one player
     
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    Well the defence will be there next season as they're all new. Think it needs to be staggered better though. As to Daniel, I think he knows what he wants and 5hat wont change. He did seem as though he would really miss Davo though, which suggests that he was of great use behind the scenes as well.

    Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much continuity at most clubs nowadays. Does seem bit sad to think my son wont have a player that's Barnsley through and through to support.

    Which brings me onto my final point. As long as we have entertaining matches and avoid relegation I think it will be another good season.
     
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    I genuinely don't think that we'll be going into next season with Sibbick as first choice. I'd expect us to sign one more "ready" centre half as a minimum, preferably two.
     
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    Every time we're relegated we're told we lose £6 million in income. It's never mentioned, but it stands to reason we get that back when we are promoted. We should probably use that.
     
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    The bonanza season of transfer fees is largely gone, though with staged payments, we should likely still be receiving those fees.

    I'm not sure we are doing it to be honest. Not to a level that is helping us take steps forward.

    if I were a club, I'd look at the effort we put in, the cost, the research, the training time and think... lets scout their players, offer them double the wages, unsettle them, then pick them up for much less than their value just before the players reach their peak.

    If we can't get better value from our dealings, there is no chance of progression. And if that's the case, just why are these owners here? I can see the allure of a distressed purchase, hedge funds regularly look for them as they provide better value. But ironically it seems our player sales are distressed purchases too.

    we've openly said we'll sell in last year and we've openly said we buy young players and sell them the story of playing for a bigger club to get them here.

    Its an attractive story for the player, but is it for the fans? Is it for the club if it has ambitions to be in the top half of the championship and beyond? or is the plan to wait for football to crumble and being one of the few solvent clubs, it shall inherit the earth? I genuinely don't know.
     
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    If Thiam, Cavare and Pinillos sign new deals. I'm hoping that might lift some of the gloom. Barnsley have sold players for years even before Cryne and Dennis. Can't see what all the fuss is about.
     
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    Point 1 Terry. Sitting on a profit that has been promised to be spent on the squad and new players. ( Can only be proven over the summer)
    Point 2. Cryne was losing money hand over fist and if to be believed sold the club at an amount that recouped his losses nothing more.
    Point 3. Whilst I agree that £3M seems an undervalue. ( That many figures banded about. not sure of anything. Remember Steve Bruce saying they'd paid a lot less than what was being banded about for Connor ?)
    Point 4 Pretty sure you felt the same about Pinnock when we got him from forest green and prior played for Dulwich Hamlet up to 2016 to the age of 23.
    Point 5 lots of gash teams have quality players. That's why they are then given an opportunity to step up.
     
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    Conway said when promoted that would become available.
    Won’t go far though will it, on a squad of 20+.
    What about the deficit they claim for last year as a result of relegation how do they recoup that back?
    Or are they expected to stand that themselves?
     
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    Sibbick won’t play centre back and if we’re putting Mowatt on the right wing we’ll be in trouble!
     

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