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  1. Hooky feller

    Hooky feller Well-Known Member

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    Agree mate. But if I could change it in this case. A win would be decided on who won the group game. Used to/does Happen in some football tournaments before goal difference to decide who finishes higher in group.
     
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    The Aussie press are going berserk that England won.
     
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    I read that article if its the same one and it was on Fox News so it must be accurate.

    Im not so sure - this is a law really intended for cases where for example a player deliberately throws a ball out
    lets take the case where had it missed Stokes completely and missed the stumps but there was no one backing up and it had gone for 4 overthrows in the normal manner - Ive never seen anyone suggest that the second run doesnt count in that case. I know thats not common but for sure I have seen cases where a fielder has thrown before the batsmen had crossed when going for a quick single and missed and its gone for overthrows and no one suggested the first run doesnt count

    its an Aussie umpire who is stirring thats all
     
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    The original article was by Andrew Miller on CricInfo. Taufel was asked to comment following its publication.

    The law states,

    So it's either deliberate or via an overthrow.

    It's an uncommon event as batsmen not crossing for a single usually leads to one of them being run out (they start to run and then return to their crease with no run scored) or when completing a single they have usually crossed thus making the run complete by the time the overthrow goes for a boundary. I've probably played several hundred games of cricket and overthrows for a boundary are very rare and to be fair if I'd have been umpiring I'd have fallen foul of the law too. But then again I'm not a professional umpire paid to know the rules.

    Ex-international and well respected umpire. Still the ICC have spoken,

    Good old ICC lol. There is no interpretation of laws (not rules ICC!) required in a matter of fact that could have been checked by TV replay in the same was the ICC is keen on checking everything else by TV replay.

    I'm pretty sure had England been on the other end of this decision the outcry would be somewhat different. But still, there we go. Cricket seems to serve up the best drama when the outcome is incorrect - a bit like Brett Lee being caught by Geriant Jones in that famous Ashes series when his hand wasn't touching the bat as the ball hit it.
     
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    It doesn't matter England are World Champions. Just like it didn't matter in 2005 because England hadn't won the Ashes since the away tour in 1987/88. I'm not complaining but see your point.
     
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    Michael Kasprowicz was the one caught in that game, Brett Lee was left not out and broken man at the non strikers end.
     
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    New Zealand batsman Henry Nicholls brushed off the decision as part of the sport.

    "It doesn't mean anything to us now, it's the game, things happen," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.

    "Sometimes you get the rub of the green. England had a great tournament, they have been the dominant team for the last four years so they deserve to win it".


    Great attitude, very classy.
     
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    I've just been reading that claim as well WOTS. Apparently, retired Australian umpire Simon Taufel has said that
    " a clear mistake has been made" and England should not have drawn the game on 241 and New Zealand should
    technically have won the game.

    When asked if it mattered to him, Englands director of cricket Ashley Giles just replied " not really we've got the trophy and we are keeping it."

    Kiwi batsman Henry Nicholls brushed it off saying it didn't matter now and that these things happen in cricket. He added that over time England had been a dominant force in the game, so deserved to win the World Cup.

    Well said that man.
     
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    Great sportsmanship from New Zealand - wonder if the Aussies would have taken the same view.

    Of course no one knows what would have happened had the Umpires given the 5 and made the batsmen change back leaving Rasheed wanting 4 of 2 balls - He may have hit a 4 next ball or we may have lost - the one thing you cant say is New Zealand would have won but for the error as the last 2 balls would have gone totally differently. They may well have won we might have won or we might still have had the super over - its gone we won and for once seem to have benefitted from an error by the officials - I cant remember the last time that happened - unless we are saying the Russian Linesman in 1966 :)
     
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    All true mate. Changes the whole mindset if only given 5 runs. Unlike the hand of God incident. Wish we had referrals on that one. And Thierry Henry against Ireland handball.
     
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    True and both your examples are deliberate acts of cheating - the Stokes was a pure accident and it would now appear mistake from the officials - had it been the other way round I would have found it easier to accept than the Hand of a cheating ****
     
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    Cheers :)
     
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    For me, that's the way the game should be played, warts and all - no TV replays, human error is fine. When I captained I really didn't like anyone on my team arguing with the umpire, even if he was completely wrong or (seeing as we didnt often get neutral umpires) a member of their team blatantly cheating! I can only imagine how England fans and the press would be bleating if the boot was on the other foot though. Fair play to the Kiwis.
     
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