These people claim to be leaders of the free world....

God.......or the genie in the sky of your choice......help us.

 

His face at the end.

Absolutely hilarious.

 

Boris and his Kipper fiasco springs to mind

 

I've given up a while back. I've got to know a few Americans over the last couple of years and they (they're intelligent, successful people) believe that those in power over there have brainwashed the simpletons of the country, hence Trump. And by all accounts, there are lots of them. Simpletons. Most of them very religious too. Christians. Therefore, just tell them that Muslims are bad and off you go. Backed by the Israelites. Which you're not allowed to say it seems.

But the Americans I know, they say, having now spent plenty of time over here, that this country's politics has gone the same way. They say it's very much like Trump politics now. Where truth, facts and coming across as fair, kind, peaceful and intelligent, it's seen as shady. Whereas, shouting and waving your arms about spouting a few (often false) statements, that attracts the simpletons.

They've nailed it. And like I say, I can dream/want/hope for better things, but I've sacked off worrying about it. If the majority are as simple to accept the current state of affairs, where the leaders of the UK and USA are racist, criminally suspect bigots whose ineptitude is clear to see, then what can we do?

Hundreds of years ago there'd have been an uprising, a revolution. But times change.

This past week I've seen clear similarities with OUR politics and the way that the Nazis went about their business. That Trump rally for example with them all shouting 'Send her back" etc, fcccuukk me sideways.

World's fccukked.

 

I agree with Whitey. I've followed American politics since Trump began his campaign for President back in 2015. I've been horrified with their political system. Disgusted with the way Trump has scorned and dismantled virtually every plank of social and environmental responsibility in favour of self glorification and enrichment.
I've spent three years hoping the scales would drop from the eyes of the American public, or at least 40% of it and they'd sweep this parasite and his bigoted, money grubbing, callous party with him. I've more or less given up. I think Trump will probably lose the next election. But not by much. Either way I see no way that they will start to repair the f**ked up and divided political system they have where money is virtually the sole arbiter.
What saddens me is that the UK is little better. Our political system has become toxic and tribal.
It's a total mess.

 

We’re surely at an all time low in British Politics now, surely. After reading earlier in the week about the full page spread taken in The Guardian to protest against Corbyns unrelenting unwillingness to act against clear antisemitism within the labour party I’ve just read about another labour mp, the shadow justice minister who has quit due to the abuse shes received from remainer party members. Comparisons with the Jew hating nazis are well deserved, until we rid the labour party of Corbyn, labour antisemitism and his momentum enforcers we’ll never have a credible alternative to the tories.

 

The irony is that those who are swayed by these populist politics, the simpletons as YT calls them, are the ones who stand to lose the most as a direct consequence of them.
Trump gives tax cuts to the rich and perpetuates the corporate America status quo which will deny them affordable healthcare, and I think it’s proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Brexit/Boris will leave working people worse off.

 

I agree, but Brexit is what we voted for and must deliver. New Labours open door policy has bit it’s core voters hard un respect of wages jib security and access to public services, and Corbyns politics, links to terrorists, stubborn stance in antisemitism have lost labour the vote of the intelligent whilst his unending incompetence on brexit has lost him the vote of the working man to farage. The sooner we purge the labour party of marxists, jew haters and momentum brown shirts the quicker labour will become a party worth voting for again.

 

I think CNN just gave him enough rope to hang himself. Stupidity speaks for itself.

 

But it wasn’t ‘Labours open door policy’ it’s the EU’s policy and we needed it to keep the economy growing.

The rest of the crap about Corbyn? If you don’t see the parallels with Trumps campaign against Hilary Clinton; then you’re part of the problem not part of the solution.

The whole republican movement started with ‘anyone but Hilary’ constantly threw dirt at her whilst the clear reality is that Trump is an actual crook and his supporters refuse to see the truth of it, even though it’s staring them in the face.

Read Boris for Trump and Corbyn for Hilary and it’s not too dissimilar.

 

Nay mate, under New Labour immigration quadrupled. ‘97 to 2010 the uk population increased by 2.2 million !! Were all of them essential workers ? Doctors,nurses,engineers ? I think not. The doors really swung open in 04 when labour decided to allow workers from eastern europe from countries about to join the eu immediate rights to work and benefits. It was labour not the eu, they weren't even in the eu then. The result: the biggest ever migrant flow in peacetime history with the resulting and inevitable strain on our infrastructure, public services and welfare state. And the people most affected ? The working man. This is one of the reasons immigration has become such a key issue. And to shut folk up from speaking about immigration being a bad thing for our country those of us who recognise the damage done are called far right,racist,islamaphobic. Its got to the stage now where you just cant speak about it.

 

Do we want to have some sort of exam so only the higher educated can vote to get rid of the simpletons vote? It may not match everyone’s idea of what the outcome should be but I still agree with 1man 1 vote anything else is a very slippery road

 

Do we want to have some sort of exam so only the higher educated can vote to get rid of the simpletons vote? It may not match everyone’s idea of what the outcome should be but I still agree with 1man 1 vote anything else is a very slippery road

 

R

 

It's so, so tempting to say yes, there should be an exam. But you're quite right.
Time and time again the only non knee jerk solution is education. Not vocational education. Not results based education. But education that turns out people who can reason, who have a breadth of knowledge of the world around them and have read and studied widely enough to acquire some understanding and compassion.

 

Wow you talk about the yanks been brainwashed... Ive Just read the posts above and In my opinion you JC knockers want to give your heads a shake... We are witnessing the biggest political smear campaign in our political history.. The Tory press have lied through their back teeth.. Cover up after cover up and you sit there believing everything you read about JC and the Labour party in the mainstream press.
Jesus wept..
The blairites the secret corrupt blues are being removed one by one but they aren't going without a fight... Screaming allegations left right and centre.. To who will listen because they don't want their part of the gravy train to stop...
Yes politics in the country are screwed not by JC but by the Conservative culture and the lies that get spouted by many already in power then... JC a terrorist (no proof other than tory press fabricating lies) he's called for caution and opposed every conflict we've been taken into... And rightly so.. Conflicts we've been lied to about.. Which have then seen our brave military boys and girls coming home in boxes..
Infact instead of giving your heads a shake I suggest you bang them yourselves against a wall just to bring you to your senses.
And we call the yanks

 

Its a simple as this. We have many poor parties who dont serve the needs of the country and its people well. One however is better positioned than the other to smear and drive PR campaigns against the other. The other has given enough ammunition to be fired at themselves and does not have strong enough leadership and a clear policy that majority understands or buys into. Meaning the stronger party drives their austerity program and as the people feel the pain for crime, homelessness, healthcare cuts, council spend reductions. education driven by school results, etc people are scared to change to what is a weaker party. The government have mastered the art at deflecting blame (ie BBC licence fee decision offloaded to BBC and then they are blamed for OAP cuts when the Gov made decisions)

If anyone thinks the policies of either will drive growth and success post Brexit then i'm interested to hear how, especially given recent track records.

Democracy works when there are credible alternatives from which people to choose. Unfortunately people are being brainwashed and then we have a vote. Not a good recipe for a strong and united country who will compete with our global 'colleagues'