Antisemitism

Ok, can someone please explain why criticising the policies and actions of a nations government is racist?

Unless I'm missing something here?

 

It’s a carefully engineered smear. Almost every instance of ‘antisemitism’ brought up against left-wing Labour folk is actually just a criticism Israeli policy - nothing to do with race or religion.

 

I’m sure there are some pro Palestinian supporters whose behaviour on social media has been unacceptable, but I see your point. The antisemitism row has largely been fuelled by the right wing media and those at the centre of the Labour Party who don’t like the direction the party has gone since Corbyn became leader have been able to use it to their advantage as well. Sadly Corbyn and his advisers haven’t handled the situation that well either...

 

It's more to with the fact they are tarring all the Jewish people with the same brush, saying because they are Jewish they must have the same views as the Israeli government. Its the same as saying that a Muslim person must have the same views as isis. That's how it came across in that documentary that was on.

 

The way Labour have dealt with it has been awful, they haven’t defended themselves against this smear or called it out as bs and have just rolled over and let Murdoch/Tories tickle their belly with it

 

Labour have no fight in them about anything anymore, look at the Tories at the minute, vulnerable and screaming to be smashed, yet Labour just let them off the hook time after time.

 

Additionally, I think the Israeli government is very clever about how it gets away with things that others wouldn’t.

The government itself, and many government-backed non-profits deliberately muddle anti-Zionism with antisemitism, and call out any critic of Israeli expansion as antisemitic because it’s such an emotive word and people are so scared of being labelled with it because of its Nazi connotations.

 

Isn't the point all about the vile abuse and smears people such as Luciana Berger have received on social media, and the many similar complaints? Or have the 60 Labour peers just made it all up?

 

That’s not true at all and the documentary wasn’t totally truthful.
If there has been anti Semitic within the party it should be dealt with harshly and decisively .
Anti Semitic views should not be linked to anti Israeli Government policy though .
the right wing Israeli government and some of the elements within it are rightly being held to account and by a very vociferous Israeli centre and left leaning activists as well as international.
Some are using protest against this as anti semetic which it isn’t .
Any anti Jewish sentiment should be rounded on by any political party i and many more like me within the Labour Party will not tolerate this full stop.

 

Friends of Israel group are a powerful lobby in Parliament, look no further than them for fuelling the attack on Labour and Corbyn

 

I think the point is why you can't criticise the actions of a foreign government without being called a racist.

And you can't defend those who try and explain they are being critical of a policy not a people without too being called a racist.

And you can't say that you've been too apologetic in your approach to criticism of those who call people racists when people are not being racist - without being suspended from the party.


All of which actually enforces conspiracy theories and leads to vile abuse of Luciana Berger - and actual racism.

I think this is the point.

It might be one of those chicken and egg points of view though.

 

The vast majority when investigated are from non Labour Party members and are from the far right. Berger for example some people were taken to court turned out to be Britain First nut jobs. Labour are the least AS party both in terms of attitudes and in terms of proven cases 0.06%. What isn’t shows is that the right wing media still holds power and that it doesn’t. It can manufacture the smear but most people don’t call for it

 

Still waiting for the program investigating Islamophobia within the Tory party, and the investigation and report to which all the leadership contenders agreed was needed and would hold.

I'll not hold my breath.

 

The Labour Party has been infiltrated by agents of a foreign government. See the Al Jazeera You Tube Video called The Lobby. £1m provided by Israel to bring down Corbyn and even some Tory MPs were mentioned. The guy who, has just resigned Alan Duncan, was one of them the Israeli Agent said they wanted to bring down. Our press was very quiet on this one and even though Labour asked the Government for an enquiry it was brushed under the carpet.

One thing I have been constantly searching for is evidence of anti semitism in the party and I can't find any. We have more Jewish MPs per head of population than the number of people of Jewish faith in the UK. Our last party leader was Jewish too. That doesn't look like an Institutionally anti semitic party to me.

 

So if Luciana Berger (and many others, apparently) gets vile abuse, have Labour dealt with the problem? Or is it your view there is no problem?

 

The cases against Berger were found to be far right Britain first supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-joshua-bonehill-paine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

I'm not sure. I think you're doing what Tom Watson and the BBC does and confusing two separate issues. Tom Watson - the Tory party and the BBC do it deliberately to undermine Corbyn. they don't even do it primarily to support the foreign govt.

The issue at hand is why is criticism of a foreign governments policies racist.

I dont' think it is.

 

I'm going to hold my hand up and say.. If criticism of Israel and its governments sub human treatment towards the Palestinian people makes you a racist and a antisemitic. Then I guess I must be one..
How a population whos elders suffered from persecution and termination at the hands of the Nazi party can on one hand condem the actions and brutality carried out to their race but yet openly stand by and allow their own government to act like they do smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order... They should hang their heads in shame and guilt and remember... Their own history of persecution... Yes I understand not every Jewish person agrees with their own government policies and I apologise to them but unfortunately the Israeli government have previous in trying to manipulate British governments for political gain
2 wrongs don't make it right and the sooner the world stage comes together to place sanctions that work the sooner we will see an end to Israel barbaric stance.
That said my uncle who served out in Palestine and got injured whilst out there always said right up to his death that the Israeli and Palestine problem would never be solved whilst ever people sh 1t through their backsides. Such was the hatred of each other...

 

Traditionally there have always been large numbers of Jews in socialist parties as they were excluded from the Establishment.

 

On the other hand you get openly racist scum like de Pfeffel and Yaxley Lennon allowed to freely carry on. Say anything about the genocidal Israelis though and your free speech and career is out the window