Taking Back Control

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  1. Red

    Red-Taff. Well-Known Member

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    Is that right - almost 19 000 000 not on the electoral register ? How do they know that if they're not on the register to stat with?
     
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    I would guess comparing results of census (compulsory?) to electoral register might be a start.
     
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    Remember this is for the entire population so it includes everyone under 18 in that figure as they can't be on the register, not just those eligible who haven't signed up. I reckon the data is from census forms.
     
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    Not as many foodbanks back then.
     
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    Not
    just limited to UK though, Germany has seen a huge increase with over 500 food banks and 1.5 million a week using them & 3.5 million in France
     
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    But it wasn't a remotely static rate was it (so many things affect the market it seldom is). So there's lies, damned lies and statistics. One really has to look over the last 17 years to understand the trials and tribulations of the pound/euro exchange. It would rise significantly if Boris today stated he was wishing to forge a deal with the eu, that he had no intention of falling out without one. Conversely it would plumb to its lowest ever level if he today stated that he had no desire to negotiate further and could only foresee a no deal brexit.
     
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    Absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Why don't you have a look at the projected growth figures? is there not a rise in far right thought in Europe? Is there not vastly more euro-skeptic MEPs in Europe? Is the fishing industry in this country thriving? Would you not describe a system whereby the people cannot vote for the president undemocratic?

    You post a lot of thoughtful, well written posts but you have let yourself down there.
     
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  9. Dan

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    Do you directly vote for your Prime Minister? There are more far right people in Uk than most of Europe. There are more Euro Sceptic MEP's, in part, because the Uk sent a bunch of them there. Interesting, there are more progressive pro euro MEP's there than traditional ones.

    The UK is in phase one of recession, a no deal will make our economy an utter shambles and our lunacy, along with trumps war against sense and the Chinese slow down is having drag on all modern economies. The EU's inward investment and modern development completely puts ours to shame.

    As for fishing. There has been much said about that before and its not something I have great knowledge of, but there have been numerous comments by others outlining our fishing was in a bad way before quotas and our oceans overfished. On top of that, those with licenses now are pretty much all big companies, not Bob Fish and his little wicker boat with a fishing rod.

    I'd strongly recommend for anyone outlining there issues with the EU (and nothing is perfect) and then ask themselves, how do we do it, and what would be better from a system or promise devised by Boris Johnson and his fanatics.

    If you still believe/perceive your world will be better with Boris Johnson running it completely unfiltered from slight overseeing from 27 other nations, well, theres little more that's worth debating.
     
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    It might be added that only this lunchtime the Bank Of England have revised down the UK growth figures. Paul Johnson of the IFS states that even amongst Brexit supporters it is conceded that the UK economy today is £40 Bn smaller than would have been the case without the leave vote in 2016. There are presidents of the EU parliament, the council and the commission, all of whom are answerable to directly elected representatives in one way or another. You might contrast this with our own monarchy or upper chamber. The rise (from under a stone) of far right actors is not a phenomenon peculiar to Europe, sadly. So really, soundbites and half-truths will not do.
     
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    and why should one gym member pay more to be in the club than another?
     
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    this is because austerity ,( since the financial crash) , has been eu wide , and as far as i know has been tackled with cuts to public spending in nearly every member state

    https://www.europeaninstitute.org/i...cial-reform/1180-austerity-measures-in-the-eu
     
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    Why should a rich person pay more tax than a poor one?
     
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    because they can afford to and in doing so contribute more to the nations wealth

    tax is not membership of a club,theres plenty of evidence around to show that some members of the club are taking out far more than they are putting in, poland being the prime example, 100 billion euros since it joined the eu, whilst at the same time completely disregarding directives from the eu,this is why the membership system is flawed and why mr tusk wants us brexiteers to burn in hell
     
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    Our economy has benefitted from membership massively and there are many things we've held off that are individual rights for us and others don't get benefit from.

    If you're satisfied a rich person should pay more to help poorer people, to say otherwise for countries is just hypocrisy, whether you realise it or not.
     
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    Because that gym member earns more, gets a percentage of their membership back as a rebate, gets a percentage of their gym membership spent on home gym equipment, gets to sell his dietary supplements to other gym members at no extra cost and also got a veto on changes to the gym rules and the facility to opt out of other gym rules. Pretty good deal really.
     
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    So you are blaming the EU for the crash back then???

    That's strange , most economists blame the banks being over greedy and the yank banks in particular for seeking off sub prime mortgages.

    I think you need to do more reading...
     
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    Atlantic Bridge was created by Liam Fox, at a time when he believed he was Mrs Ts heir. It's a Neo Conservative organisation which believes in Free Market unrestricted Capatilism. It believes that America is the Supreme leader of the world and their model is the best. It doesn't not believe in State run agencies (leave it to benign free market agencies),the EU, Communism or Socialism.
    Can't believe it's still going as he found it difficult to get support and finance and there is now more powerful media and individuals who are morr successful at getting this failed unpleasant 20th century message out there.
    For what it's worth,Liam Fox is a twice sacked from government,lying,narcissistic, little ****.
     
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    Because it gets them a better service?
    A season ticket in the Ponte is a sight cheaper than one in the East Upper that includes dinner and entertainment.

    We have greater representation than those who pay less.
     
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