O/T Caroline Lucas .........

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  1. Dan

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    It wasn't put into law because the tories didn't hold a binding vote (much like the referendum!). Hold a binding vote on no deal and you will have your law. But the unelected PM is unlikely to do this as it doesn't appease his fanatics.
     
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    Oh yeah the non binding referendum that took us into Europe in the 70's...
     
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    I'll state again, as I've stated before. The electoral commission and the courts found the 2016 referendum illegal, if it had been binding, it would have been nullified. Parliament on their only opportunities to have a say on no deal have voted to stop it.

    No deal has not been voted on by the people. It has been opposed in a sovereign Parliament, yet conservative rule has ignored these points and is pushing a utopian ideal from an unelected PM.

    If that's not that the opposite of democratic, I really don't know what is.

    But I understand the legal stance (til challenged or allowed to be voted upon and then acted upon) is exit without a deal. That's the fault of the conservatives for blocking sanity at every turn for perceived political benefit.
     
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    So like the documents uncovered recently about what Heath didn't tell us in the 70's, some even argue treason. But pretty sure that one would have been declared null as well.. But actually the biggest porkies are still being told by those in favour of remain, still taking the lead from George Osbournes fantasy budget that stole vast, vast amounts of votes from those who he scared into voting remain.. But that argument has been done to death. Now the only thing as you accept is that our lawful position remains leave with no deal. If the EU would open discussions in a productive matter, which pretty much would only involve minor changes to get an agreement then it won't be a problem anyway, we would strike a deal... I expect something will happen before the exit date from the EU, for the first time because our PM is finally playing hard ball they are taking it seriously...
     
  5. Dan

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    I very much doubt Osbourne (sic) gained much vote at all, most likely lost it. Certainly the borderline criminal dreadful lies from the leave camp gained plenty. But its been done to death. Project fear certainly won. And of course, project fear was the leave side, such irony. As we're seeing now as the economy tanks, the pound crashes and unemployment starts to rise.

    But i've conceded that we'll leave without a deal. But in 3-5 years time when leave has utterly collapsed, there will be no I told you so's. Just Turkish ascension, Schengen, the Euro, the ECJ to have supremacy of everything we do, an EU army, the HoP to be turned into a museum, for taxes to be set there, to make the UK flag a blue background with yellow stars. And every 50p piece to have EU. Je t'aime emblazoned on it. I mean fairs fair. if leave have something more extreme than they campaigned for. When it all is proven to be utter lies and fear mongering, its only right the remainers get their utopian dream too, and to hell with everything. That's something i've certainly learned from this referendum. Say one thing, get something that was denied repeatedly by a PM less than 1% of the public voted for.
     
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    Economy was already tanking lie the whole EU. Unemployment is down since referendum of 2016 as per ONS..

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms

    PS - We haven't yet so the impact on leaving cannot be assesed. This crap storm is happening because of the blockers and delays being put in the way. Uncertainty. Project fear luckily hasn't won from remain. Foreign investment up, NHS is still here and will always be. It would be the end of any political party if they tried to privatise it to move to this insurance based system but hey that's project fear in overdrive lol.. The EU will reform if we stay in and influence it..Unicorn, (hate that word now lol), no they won't just more and more Europe is on the agenda, no popular reform.
     
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    Manneblusser extraordinaire.

    Rude awakening ahoy. See you on the other side.
     
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    I believe once we leave, we will not see this picture of complete disaster that the remain doomsayers with no faith in our own country preach of.

    Especially as the remain biased media in this country will have to get on board.
     
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    well I don't listen to the media. I listen to many companies (clients) who have Brexit plans in place once they know the final outcome. I've said this before that best case scenario is 10-15% job cuts. No deal is generally 30% or worse.

    But the true impact will be felt... which obviously the media you decry tries to cover the devastation up.
     
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    We have always been ‘in Europe’ what is it you think we’ve been voting for?
     
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    You know what I mean as in the 70's referendum. Picky sod lol
     
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    However, they don't seem to being doing much good. The EU recently concluded a trade deal with the South American trading bloc. It means they can sell us cheap beef. Unfortunately this will lead to more rain forest destruction for grazing land. The EU had a chance to make stipulation on this as part of the deal but didnt. The rain forests hold ten times more carbon than we emit in the UK, even before you consider the bio diversity lost. Lucas should be trying to address such issues instead of making plans for a power grab with the treacherous lib Dems
     
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    Call me a pedant but we are in Europe - we were before 1972 and we will be post Brexit.

    It's a linguistic nonsense that in some way we will be different; The UK is part of Europe, always was and always will be (unless someone decides to redraw the map).
     
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    Worried about the availability of olives post Brexit. Hopefully we can get them from Palestine still. They produce the finest. At the moment I have a source in LS6, so if @George Spicer wants to PM me about supplies, I'll put you in touch. COYR's
     

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