Jo Swinson

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  1. Marlon

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    Agreed , no tinternet, shops shut Sunday ,the big match on telly Sunday . Pre Thatcher .
     
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    I wonder if anyone watched Rebecca Long Baileys latest car crash interview on bbc breakfast? Just wondered as it hadn’t been mentioned
     
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    Jo Swinson... If she's as bothered about no deal as she says then she should get behind the leader of the opposition. By what she's saying she is in effect really saying that Corbyn for a few weeks is worse than permanent/long term no deal. She's therefore an idiot or a liar.
     
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    Why should Corbyn be placed as temporary leader when he can't win a GE? How would he carry support on tory benches to get to that position in the first place? What would he actually do? How long would he try and cling onto power (he spectacularly lost a no confidence vote and lost a GE, yet he's still leader)?

    A govt of national unity doesn't have to impose the opposition leaders will. And with somebody who still can't be clear on which way he leans regarding Brexit, for me, that makes them an unfit candidate to be PM to prevent no deal and navigate a course that protects the UK from mid term catastrophe.

    That's just taking tribalism and peoples long held political biases out of the equation.

    If you're going to have a united coalition, frankly, I think you're going to have to look at someone with reason and that has garnered respect over the years. Obviously hard core Labour voters expect Corbyn, but a Clarke, Grieve or Cooper would have much more chance of getting cross party support. That is unless Corbyn sulks and shows that his future is much more important than the countries.
     
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    Swinson has softened her stance and is going to discuss the best way forward with Corbyn.
    Maybe EVERYONE can come together and agree on the best thing for the country rather than keeping one eye on becoming PM.
     
  6. YTB

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    I’m a big fan of JC. I’ve got no time at all for Thatcher-loving Swinson. However, what JC has set out, the idea put forward in his letter, this is a massive opportunity to thwart Johnson and his far right Tories.

    So if JC needs to acquiesce, if someone else must lead the emergency government to get us out of this mess, I would hope as a man who’s always done the right thing, that he’d do so again.

    However, whilst many have continually mocked him since becoming leader of the Labour Party, most of what he’s done over the years has proven canny when looking back. He’s not daft. And I’d trust him over any other MP regardless of party bias.

    He voted remain. He campaigned to remain. He’s had to deal with the fact that many Labour voters chose to leave. Barnsley is massively Labour yet voted massively to leave, for example. But that letter couldn’t be any clearer in its aims. Options are there if the country would like to choose a different way of leaving the EU other than without a deal, or indeed, if the country would rather now remain.

    You Reds. Up the Jez.
     
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    I'm not going to argue about Corbyn Whitey. I have my reservations but he's a million times more preferable than Boris.
    The most important issue the country faces right now is stopping a no deal brexit. Party politicking from any direction is entirely unacceptable be it Labour, Liberal or Tory.
     
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    Fair enough if that's your opinion. I don't think anyone is 'right' or 'wrong' on this even if we have strong views. However, just to pick up on some things you said:
    There is no suggestion as far as I am aware that the opposition leader's will will be imposed only in so far as he will be in charge of organising an election and/or referendum. No Labour policies would be in the mix as far as I am aware. The brexit-leaning stance of Corbyn on this issue is for me on this single issue therefore not relevant if the processses of referendum or election are simply being worked through.Corbyn's tenure as PM would be a temporary one till a referendum was run and/or general election organised. As for picking someone else instead of Corbyn I'm not sure that someone like Clarke or Cooper would actually garner more support than Corbyn in any case so whoever would lead a 'unity' government would have difficulties whether Corbyn or anyone else. The whole issue is problematic for remainers whatever is decided. Finally, I don't really think if this doesn't work out that Corbyn would sulk about it - it would simply be political manouvering of a kind which any politician would, I am sure, be quite used to. It's Swinson that is not thinking of the national interest, not Corbyn. She should work with him in the short-term if she is serious about a referendum. If she doesn't and simply bad mouths him then she is putting her party/personal views before what she says is the national interest. I'll stick to my opinion for now I think until something changes.
     
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    My view of what she said was simply an honest assessment. Its only a week or so til he unequivocally said he supported a referendum. He hasn't said what option he'd support. And the last 3 years he's been highly ambiguous despite conference motions and PLP positions being emphatic.

    He heavily lost a no confidence motion and stayed on. He emphatically lost a GE against a dreadful opponent bolstered by remainers hoping for revocation knowing Labour is (was?) a pro European party, and stayed on. As a result, I have little confidence he would be a temporary PM.

    I'm lucky (un???) to know several people who've had close access to MP's and his operational style. If the role was just to organise an extension and a referendum, I genuinely can't think of anyone worse. The behind the scenes organisation of operations has returned to the 80's and is highly unorganised. It seems to hinge completely around Milne and Murphy with Corbyn taking little interest in detail. I'm told he does sulk a lot and is cantankerous, especially when his advisors are called to account. I've not seen it at first hand, because i'm not part of Westminster village.

    But anyway, if he truly believes preventing no deal is the most important thing, and allowing that to happen means he has to allow someone else to do the right thing, then hopefully he will. I'm just not convinced he's the person many who worship at his altar think he is.
     
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    She’s got some brass neck seeing as she helped prop up a Cameron government that eventually led to the referendum that got us into this mess
     
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    As you know Whitey, I'm no fan of Corbyn. But I have to say in fairness, from his point of view, why should it not be him that leads a time-limited specific purpose coalition so that an extension can be sought and a general election called? He has the right to point out that he has twice been overwhelmingly elected to lead the biggest opposition party, and it would be an admission of defeat in his own leadership were he to stand aside for anyone else. The purpose of his short administration would be clearly agreed, as would it's duration. Thereafter, he and all the other parties can argue for a bigger mandate once an election is called. Sad to say however, that I don't think it's going to succeed, and I think a no deal exit is looming large for all the reasons I set out in my post on the other thread.
     
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    This is what I don’t get!

    This narrative that all MP’s are corrupt or untrustworthy.

    We all have a vote, we meet the candidates and get reports of their performance.

    Who is voting for an MP they think is corrupt or incompetent. I’m certainly not, my MP is honest, hardworking has integrity and actually a nice guy.

    I appreciate some of us might vote for an alternative, but even if I’d voted for a different party, it’d be difficult for me to find fault with my MP.
     
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    Maybe we should just jack it all in and give it back to the Queen?
    The MP's on all sides are useless, democracy is fked.
    MP's are ignoring constituents and running about like headless chickens doing what they want.
    Has Guy Fawkes not got any ancestors interested in the family business?
     
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    Tris is why Corbyn is a disaster.

    He’s completely unelectable, and in other circumstances he’d have been booted out years ago. But now he’s allowed a free pass to stay in and he’s no opposition at all.
    The tories have had free reign to power grab and scam their way through this, and we’re hurtling towards a no deal.

    If Corbyn was electable this idea might have worked. But he’s not and so it won’t.
     
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    Media fuelled crap .
    Corbyn is more electable than any of the opposition that’s why he’s LEADER of the opposition .
    Your trying to tell me someone who came fourth in the GE is more electable than someone who came a close second?
    The Tories haven’t been able to do any such thing everything they’ve done they’ve bought with Irish votes .
    The media are in overtime dissing Corbyn and he’s still running rings round them . Theresa May thought she was gonna walk that last election that’s why she called it .
    You think what you want but your wrong . Just because your reading the crap they wrote and a few labour voters are taking the bait and he’s still there.
     
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    Ms Swinson, in her first speech since being elected Lib Dem leader last month, dismissed Mr Corbyn's plans.
    She said: "Instead of doing everything in his power to stop us from crashing out, he is demanding the keys to Number 10 as a precondition for a vote of no confidence.
    "We are facing a national crisis, we may need an emergency government to resolve it.
    "But if Jeremy Corbyn truly wants that to succeed, surely even he can see that he cannot lead it."

    Sounds pretty much bang on to Donks.
     
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    Rubbish.
     
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    But if the leader of the opposition with more MPs than any of the others put together isn’t gonna lead the opposition what’s the point ?
    Swinson wants the keys for being the fourth best?
    The only reason some don’t want him is their personal feelings becsusr in theory he’s what the country asked to be leader of the opposition .
    I’d say these MPs don’t want to stop Brexit but further THEIR careers . Hypocracy
     

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