Operation Yellow Hammer

an alternative view of brexit from a piece in the guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/capitalism-fat-cats-brexit-leaving-eu

 

Is that based on the 3 years of flawless negotiating skills that have been demonstrated.

The thing that you're ignoring is that this sourcing should have happened already. A long time ago. We can't leave the EU with nothing in place and just bury our head in the sand and say "it'll be right. We'll get it from somewhere" while vital medicine that keeps people alive is not entering the UK.

 

Plus there won't be any chuffing deals in place and the tariffs are immediate.

 

Excellent article. We aren't about to fall of a cliff and we were in the EU during previous hardships and it didn't aid us at all.

 

We've just signed a continuity deal with Eswatini (I had to look it up too!), South Africa, Botzswana and Namibia worth ~£10bn to the economy. Note it isn't a better deal, just the same deal.

 

The EU doesn't want and won't cut off supplies, it's hold ups at borders that will interrupt supplies.

Still no reassurance from government that they have alternative ideas ( a plan ) just fobbing people off with "it's a price worth paying"..

Have you read the thread? Even the governments own paper says there could be deaths.

 

It opens borders too. Germany opens it's borders to France and France opens it's borders to the U.K. It's one of many perks.

 

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DTN and friends - I'll go very slowly step by step so that you don't misunderstand what I'm saying.
I have always voted labour and will continue to do so (although I'm not Corbyn's greatest fan) DTN - bit immature of you to make spurious reference to 'my friends making a fortune.'
I support leave because I think the EU is going to change radically in the next few years - beware of Hungarian President Orban.
There are two ways of preventing leaving without a deal - you either leave with a deal or you don't leave at all.

So which one is it?

My fellow labour supporters - bearing in mind the referendum result which one is it - do you want a deal or do you not want to leave at all.
-- and don't duck the issue with talk of 'letting the people decide etc' - the people have already decided!

 

You have a choice between a bad deal - with critics on all side, or No Deal, - which will kill people, or alternatively seeing as both are inferior to the current status quo position and would make a lot of very wealthy Leave backers at least a bit less wealthy....

I know which I'd pick.

 

And me.

 

Yes they did, but based on complete and utter fantasies around what we would gain from leaving. I'd absolutely respect the result of a fair & open referendum where 'the people' knew the consequences of voting the way they did. The 2016 referendum wasn't one of those. If the vote in a 2nd referendum was still to leave, then clearly we're now in a post-truth world, but I'd respect the result.

 

Me too. I'd respect the result and make my plans to escape.

 

The issue isn’t that we can only get it from the EU. Never was, how can you misunderstand the problem and then put so much effort into a pointless response?

 

So you are saying that "the people" decided to leave with a deal!

 

Lots of people have seen the lies for what they are and have changed their minds, letting the people confirm the choice is not undemocratic or wrong in any way and the only people that would argue against that are scared of looking stupid as more and more people see the truth.

 

my response was to a tweet that shenk1 shared where someone was claiming their insulin was made in the EU and they were effectively saying the government was putting their life at risk because of brexit, i then pointed out that insulin is made elsewhere and in doing so I listed the countries where we could source it from should our relationship with the eu collapse to the point where medical supplies are compromised

so my post wasnt pointless

 

I'm pretty sure of the outcome if we remain ... things will remain pretty much as they are, which while not perfect is not worth risking for something that is so risky with no defined benefit.

 

It's not about not being able to source these things, it's about being able to sort them at the same price (ie, without a tariff) and at the same time (ie, without a delay at the border).

 

Do we as a sovereign nation have trade deals in place with those places or are we just going to pay the extra under WTO (I'm assuming here that f they are imported into the EU the tariff is lower than it would be under WTO). could be wrong, but I doubt it.