Justin Trudeau "blacking' & "browning" up

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  1. John Peachy

    John Peachy Well-Known Member

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    Clearly wrong & he has apologised.

    I think the people calling him out on it are right, but he has clearly shown himself to be someone who is not a racist, quite the opposite with his time in government. For others to make political capital off this could actually set back progress & surely this is a lesson of how people can learn about racist issues.

    When I was at school in the 70's we'd use racist words, like "coon", or homophobic words like "puff", without knowing what they actually meant. I appreciate some teachers actually trying to explain these to us. As there were no black people at Holgate & no outed homosexuals, these terms meant nothing & were about ignorance, rather than racism. I also had a nice collection of Robertsons Gollywog footballers, that I was very proud of. Did that make me a racist? The first black players I saw were Cec Podd of Bradford & Winston Campbell of the Reds & I then learned more about racism as a result.

    Trudeau admittedly was 29 at the time of him doing this at an Arabian Nights event. It in hindsight was a bad move, but at the time was he really meaning to cause offence to people of colour?

    Would appreciate honest takes on this, if my slant is wrong. Clearly doing this stuff now IS WRONG, but isn't progress about leaning from errors like this & putting them right?
     
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    Personally, I'm fed up of all this stuff being dragged up from 30+ years ago, and today's moral standards being applied to another era.

    However, as someone living over here, I am just fed-up of the hypocrisy. The level of outrage depends on who the target is. For some people, something from 30+ years ago is still a sin. For Trudeau, people are saying "Look, it was 18 years ago". For some people, the call is immediate resignation and banishment from society. For Trudeau, "Well it's OK, he apologized". Finally, for Trudeau they even use brown, not black-face, as though that softens the slight.

    BTW. I'm only using Trudeau as an example of the hypocrisy.
     
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    I think there is evidence of him doing both coming out, hence my point?

    Could you give other examples? I'm happy that if the intent was racially motivated, i.e. being a member of the EDL or BNP, that is something different in my book.
     
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    John Peachy Well-Known Member

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    PS, I don't want this to become a divisive thread on politics, it is an honest point about ignorance, versus racist intent, hence me using two derogatory words I wouldn't dream of using now, now that as a kid that didn't understand the meaning of. It was just a "put down" word. Totally wrong & I'm glad I'm better educated & now run a multicultural company that embraces LGBT clients & is well known for this. Education & change is surely the key. It just seemed like something worth commenting on, as in the 70's Barnsley was not multicultural. Out of 800 plus kids at Holgate we had one Chinese lad, Edmund Chung at our school & everyone treated him well from memory.
     
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    We've all done silly **** in the past and stuff like this is scraping the barrell - people aren't exposing this for the right reasons that is what annoys me, it is to try and damage celebrity reputations and make money off it.

    My own personality has changed a lot over the past 20+ years of adulthood and I'd hate anyone to judge me on a younger me compared to how I am now... and that is without any skeletons like this in the closet!
     
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    He looked good as an Arabian knight tho. Put some proper effort in , same can't be said about the women in the picture.
     
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    I think that was his point at the time, not being racist, just wanting to look like an arabian knight. Others may disagree. Paintings of Jesus as a white man could be judged as being equally racist. Clearly he wasn't.
     
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    Is this another S** exclusive?
     
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    I once inadvertantly said Paki in a minibus but the driver wasn't offended and after apoligising straight away and me going bright red we all laughed.

    It was the context you see. I didn't mean it in a derogatory racist sense. It was more a slang uneducated sense.

    I now see it was totally unnacceptable but I was younger and dafter then.
     
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    I was pulled up for browning off in 1969 in Iran at a party. The person involved was of negroid race. I had not appreciated, at that time, that it was upsetting to people of colour.
     
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    A much better drama teacher than politician.....
     
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    John Peachy Well-Known Member

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    No, BBC & Guardian reporting it. Rightly so, but I'm trying to make a subtle point about ignorance vs racism & more importantly about moving on from that. The Sun has far more hateful axes to grind in my book. Gareth Thomas being a prime example. Anyone who reads that rag needs to take a firm look at themselves. They haven't learned a thing about the Madeiline McCann tap up from the start, before we get onto Hillsbrough & Orgreave
     
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    Jokes could be made years ago about race and there was a general perception that the person making the joke wasn't being racist, that everyone got the irony, but I guess that particular avenue of humour has been closed off now. It's probably for the better as some people got offended, or didn't see the irony. Or the harmless, ironic stuff got intermingled with the offensive stuff with more negative undercurrents.
     
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    I AM A RACIST !!!!
    I ADMIT IT AND WILL TAKE ALL THE FLAK COMING MY WAY.
    In the 1960s I was on holiday in Scarborough with mum and dad, auntie and uncle, and we went to the Futurist Theatre and saw the Black and White Minstrel Show .... and enjoyed it.
    I deeply regret my young teen action and wish now that I'd never been born. My admission of guilt weighs so heavily on me now I feel that even the Nuremburg trials would not cleanse my soul.
    All I can say is sorry.
     
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    Watched the Gareth Thomas interview on bbc1 last night.

    What a dignified and likeable chap he is.

    Big up to the grass who contacted the S**.

    Thomas and Stokes show them how to be the bigger person.
     
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    Bang on.
     
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    My brother lives in Ilkley. Years ago we went to Headingley to watch England play a test match . After a few beers in town after the match we jumped in a taxi... 'Ilkley pal ' 'No problem' from the taxi driver of Asian appearance with a broad Yorkshire accent, so proper yorky to me. As we arrived in Ilkley taxi driver said 'bit posh up here lads, I bet there's not many pakis around here ' whilst laughing his head off . Moral is, truthfully, were all rasist .
     
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    This.

    Spot on.
     
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    Bit like Bernard Manning who was taken to court by two Asian waitresses for telling rascist jokes at a private gig.
    Part of his defence at the time was he wasn’t rascist as he told jokes about all including race, religion and relations.
    I believe he was successful too.
     
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    We had one Black lad, one Chinese and one Asian, his name was Geoffrey Taylor but being Asian everyone called him Gupta.
    He never seemed offended and was a popular lad and was actually as English as any of us.
    Wouldn’t be allowed now though
     
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