Now there is going to be a border.

There is no border in the world that operates on that way. We have no plans to develop one we do not have the capability to do so. At least afford people the courtesy of honesty. Johnson has proposed a permanent hard border at least he is offering honesty not hiding behind a solution that doesn’t exist.

 

Thanks for all the waffle but if you support brexit either support a hard border or a united ireland I am sorry but anything else is quite frankly impossible and untrue

You are just trying to blame the Irish for our decisions it’s frankly not a good luck. Johnson now openly admits and is promoting a hard border so don’t bring more untruths back into the equation.

As for the backstop who put that idea forward the Irish or us?

 

As I said earlier, the UK gov is already breaking the GFA by preventing the people of NI from choosing to identify as both Irish and British.

 

Wasn’t the backstop a UK proposal?

 

Yes.

 

Firstly Jimmy.. please do not accuse me of bringing untruths into the equation as though I had somehow made it up or quoted it from a biased pro leave source...I'm not trying to blame the Irish...if you read the article it's written by an Irish journalist and published in the Irish national press...the fact that it doesn't equate to your view is no reason to accuse me of untruths.

As to the backstop....where do you think it came from?

 

Undoubtedly we chose to leave so it follows it is not the fault of the Irish...so let's be clear I am not trying to palm the blame on Ireland, but there are people in Ireland who are saying that Leo Varadkar is being less than helpful for his own political purposes.
The following article is from the Irish Mirror.

"Sometimes I feel the Taoiseach and Tanaiste are acting like the Backstop and Robin of Fine Gael in their manoeuvres to defend the national interest in the teeth of a potentially disastrous hard Brexit.
Are they right? Well, contrast their dogmatic approach with Bertie Ahern, one of the key architects of the Good Friday Agreement.
Last November, he said: “So you’re left down with one alternative, to make technology work in most cases and to throw a blind eye to those areas that can’t come in within technology”.
Now Bertie, as we know, has form with “the blind eye” but you get the drift.
He was clearly displaying a willingness to take a flexible approach to defend the national interest and that is to move heaven and earth to avoid a hard Brexit at all costs.
More interestingly, what would be happening if Enda Kenny was still Taoiseach?
Now I had many problems with the former Fine Gael leader but nobody could take away from him his masterful handling of European issues, the art of finding a fudge.
This is an essential component in dealing with such a tricky issue as the border which boils down to driving a square peg into a round hole. Enda was a pragmatist and certainly not hung up by any fixed ideological position.
Both men had enormous political experience to draw on and had a clear understanding of how critical our relationship with the UK is.
Now another factor that might be playing into the equation is Leo’s calculation that a bash-the-Brits approach is having a short-term positive effect on his ratings in the polls.
If this is the case, it is extremely short-sighted and he should be wary of a serious backlash if it is perceived he has increased the likelihood of a hard Brexit.
What, however, is in no doubt is his cosying up to Sinn Fein has hardened his approach to the British. Personally speaking I find all of this deeply unsettling.
Like so many I have many relatives living in the UK and more specifically two of my children and six grandchildren. We have painstakingly made so much progress on Anglo-Irish relations in recent years and it just breaks my heart to see it going backwards.
It is good to see the EU backing Ireland but the Taoiseach has a duty to help find a solution and sell it to our European partners?

The British voted to leave. That is regrettable, but in the circumstances we must do our best to defend our national interest.
Imagination and taking the long view is essential. I get the feeling the leader of Fianna Fail gets it. Varadkar and Coveney will be in deep trouble if the nation comes to the same conclusion.

 

https://www.independent.ie/business...der-boris-johnson-tells-belfast-38273941.html

 

No it wasn't...certainly according to RTE.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1019/1005373-backstop-tony-connelly/

 

You're quoting an opinion piece based around the currently non existent reality of an invisible border.
Not to mention the impossibility of effectively controlling illegal immigration which the ardent foreigners out undoubtedly want.
Ireland don't want the UK to leave. Nor do they want a hard border. It would be utterly disastrous. For Ireland.
The problem remains.
There is no current technological solution nor can I ever see there being one that suits the take control of our borders agenda.
Leave were either aware of where this would end up and covered it up or were unaware and should have, perhaps, employed an expert or two to look at the situation.
What the people of Ireland think is irrelevant really. This is a problem of Boris' making. I'd suggest though that if you come over and start suggesting that Ireland don't really want a backstop with the inevitable alternative of a hard border the best you can hope for is to have folk laugh in your face.

 

Also, has any consideration been given to who is going to man the check points where ever they are? I can see it now, a minimum wage G4 bod, on a remote cross border road, trying to enforce Customs and Excise measures on a trailer full of eggs, tomatoes or illicit fags.

 

I think you're doing the article a slight disservice...it is an opinion piece...as is virtually everything ever published, but it is an opinion piece from one of Ireland's most senior political commentators.
This is from an Irish perspective only and despite the fact that it contradicts those people who would laugh in my face it doesn't mean it's not perceptive and correct...only time will tell.
Your last sentence
" if you come over and start suggesting that Ireland don't really want a backstop with the inevitable alternative of a hard border the best you can hope for is to have folk laugh in your face"
That is exactly the point he is making...that although on the face of it the backstop protects against a hard border...Leo's current position may well produce exactly what it is intended to avoid.

 

A meaningless puff opinion piece.

 

Another meaningless puff piece full of opinion. May requested and agreed the backstop. Johnson admits no technological solution exists.

 

Fuel smuggling is rife...

 

You quoted an opinion puff piece as if it were fact. I’m fed up of you refusing to face the truth. Be honest say brexit is more important than peace in Ireland. Say I’m happy that Ireland unites to achieve my aim. Don’t try and invent solutions that don’t exist and quote the minority opinion of a few Irish commentators and some sort of fact I can respect that. You are clearly at the moment trying to shift the problem and responsibility to Eire and frankly that’s dishonest. If we brexit a hard border will happen. We will need it to happen unless we impose zero tariffs worldwide. Just be straight.

 

That`ll be Charlie I would imagine.

 

So Boris will be remembered for reigniting the troubles in Northern Island..... great.....

 

Never went away. No money in Sectarianism but there is in drugs,fuel and other such things.

The gangs that went after each other over which way they prayed to the same God now do it over turf.

Paddy O' Fenien getting shot by some protestant gang banger doesnt draw the same media attention.

Dont get me wrong its still there bubbling away with isolated (and more frequently) incidents occuring.

The problem isnt the older lads. Its the younger generation living upto the parents.

If your dads kneecapper o'keefe or stabem O'shaunessy youve certain reputations to keep up with...

Will Brexit fan the flames in its current guise. Itll have an influence but not as much as those delightful terrorists i mean politicians in NI and ROI are currently doing.

 

I have to be honest and say that I am less concerned about what they do over there when soldiers aren’t forced to be involved by politicians.