'The Club' - are we part of it or removed from it?

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  1. Eut

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    I'm still wondering and haven't reached any particular conclusion.

    Your own post refers to an individual smartass, from which of course generalisations cannot be made.

    Though if I came on here and called those from a certain country or religion or region a set of smartasses, like Americans for example, then that would be nowhere near the truth, either.

    My point may be that Americans at the moment are easy targets on here. For obvious reasons.

    So I'm just watching the potshots fired at the Beverley Hillbillies bandwagon.
     
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    Could you enlighten me where there are racist connotations on any of those posts please? Though I think you're muddling racism with xenophobia, but either or. And I'll come back to you tomorrow.
     
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    I wondered how long it would take.
     
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    tbh I think you are right to say as you did.

    There are indeed often certain characteristics played out by people from a certain country or region (especially by businessmen) which give said place a sour caricature. Which has a bedrock of reality in it.

    Sometimes (my own example would be Saudi Arabia) it can't be denied that the (ruling + business) culture isn't nice.

    My point is that your yankee post isn't racism. But mere observation of fact. You were reciting your own experiences.

    You should be able to post that, as an Englishman when abroad, wherever you are, without fear or favour. On here.

    I love the USA.
     
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    Jack Tatty (Formerly LouisBalfour) Well-Known Member

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    Its been an interesting YEEE-AAH!
     
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    Clearly we are removed from it. Otherwise we would have heard something from them by now. Unless our owners pull some masterstroke now they are screwed by what’s gone on so far.
     
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    wolvestyke Well-Known Member

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    My intention genuinely wasn't to fuel hostility. As I indicated, I assume positive intent and am therefore trying to find an explanation for recent events. I get that in time the reasoning for DS leaving may emerge and may change viewpoints but I'm afraid however I look at the communication from the owners I think it's been appalling. But I don't think it's unfair to question whether that may be because they don't fully understand the relationship some have with the club. How could they - they've been here less than two years whilst some of our fans relationship goes back decades and decades.

    As for questioning US fandom and being "way off the mark" - why? Why is it wrong to ask the question? And why is it so clearly wrong? I'm genuinely interested. By the way, isn't the implication of them fully understanding Barnsley FC fandom that they become more culpable for the poor communication as presumably they knew how it would land?
     
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    I know , I’m getting stick from my own family but we’ll see, early days in this debacle . Stendel not doing himself any favours tonight , all this just one of the lads stuff won’t go down well with prospective employers ( must have already signed a contract !!!)
     
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    good that you assume positive intent. makes a change around here.
    it's never unfair to question anything. I never said it was! if there's a question which needs to be asked it should be asked.
    as for the American fandom thing one as taking issue with DWLC's comments. He wasn't asking a question he was making a comparison which i felt needed challenging.
     
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    But hes not working the next day is he? Hes not out boozing every night, this was his farewell.
     
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    If I was his future employer and I was watching the footage from tonight I’d be thinking “we’ve got a good one here”
     
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    Maybe , I’m going to shut up about him now , I’m in a minority , probably of 1
     
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    You're entitled to your view and I do see where pure coming from. Maybe some would do it in a **** you way but it really wasnt like that, it was just Daniel being as hes always been with the fans since the moment he arrived.

    I have to say that I wondered if hed still want to given that he'd had time to think about it ( if it was me I'd probably have just wanted to slope off as you say after the initial emotions had worn off a bit) but I think it's great that he did still want to say a proper goodbye.
     
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    Glad you can see that, because my comments were caveated and framed for what has been my experience to date and not a mass generalisation of every single person.

    That you love US is a good thing that it shows people from the same region, and with at least one point of commonality (support of our football club) can have fundamentally differing views of a place or topic and that be allowed and can be a point of discussion.

    Differing views don't have to be a bad thing, and in the current climate, its good to see a differing view can be accepted as just that with no malice or negative intent other than to merely share a generalised experience and perception.

    So thank you.
     
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    Always happy to be challenged, and always happy to defend my views or give further explanation if there is any doubt, lack of clarity or confusion about what I've put.
     
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    If it’s who is then I can’t see a problem. Not all nationalities are us far up their own arse as us Brits.
     
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    I havent made a comment yet...thought I'd not make a knee jerk reaction....but I'm bl**dy pi**ed off over losing Stendel.
    This is not an anti American rant....let's be honest few owners of any nationality could be worse than the Oyston's at Blackpool.
    Undoubtedly though (in my view) American sport, outside College sport, is purely business and franchise....I don't think they really get the idea of the old community base or promotion and relegation, franchise and business are the order of the day....but if it is as has been reported, getting rid of Stendel rather than backing him looks a bad business decision.
     
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    I am removed. Nothing against the staff, the media team etc, nothing against the players; but the board and their failure to tweak a successful plan - i.e total bloody-minded arrogance - I feel far removed from. I have currently zero interest in continuing to fund their project. I have no connection to Barnsley, other than the team. The team has been my hobby for a long time, my trips to the town pleasant ones, and friendships I have made strong ones.

    What I do know about Barnsley - after 41 years of going and making friends, is it is a town of hard-working, grounded people with sound morals. Daniel was more aligned to that than the current board ever will be. I am staggered at their arrogance and at this point in time want to fill my Saturdays with other activities. This to me is much more different than a 'normal' changing of the guard. It's a bloody travesty.
     
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    We are but customers and always have been.
     

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