So Boris's deferred no deal bill

"Reliable political commentators"??? care to name your sources) and please dont quote solely the Guardian and BBC News (mostly emplying ex-Guardian journos)

 

Leaver?


Professor of European Law (Liverpool)


Professor of EU, Human Rights and World Trade Law (Essex)

 

There are QC's ripping it to bits on twitter. Sean Jones QC, Jessica Simor QC and Jolyon Maughan QC. Steve Peers, a professor of EU, human rights and international trade law seems to have issue with it too.

I trust their insights and evaluations of a legal bill a million times more than any individual who posts on this forum.

 

Why mention Jolyon Maughan, an avowed extreme remainer, the man that keeps going to the Scottish courts making spurious points of order claims (at least one was thrown out and criticised heavily for wasting court's time).

The others I cannot comment on but it is clear there are big issues with the proposed agreement.

 

To be fair, Tekktyke I don't think you need "reliable political commentators" to see it for what it is. The danger of no deal (effectively) at the end of the transition period is there for all to see. Boris needs his feet to be held to the fire a bit more!

 

Surely it's better to snipe from Italy?

Beneath contempt.

 

No need for that old chap. Everyone has a right to a view.

 

Because he's a QC so knows more about points of Law than you or me. Its completely unprecedented for a government to be found against in multiple cases on multiple points of law.

But I forget, its the view of some that experts shouldn't be relied upon... unless convenient.

 

That's right, we're entitled to hold a view.

 

Such as Sarah Sands, the editor of the flagship Today programme and former editor of The Sunday Telegraph and the Daily Mail?

 

Have you been watching BBC news recently? Mouthpiece for Boris and Brexit. Try C4 news for balance.

 

Speaking of Italy, @Tekkytyke - do you have your health insurance sorted?

Significant chance you'll have no cover after December next year (or April if No Deal), and living abroad you are not covered for NHS treatment either...

 

That's nice.
My parents spent 40 years working and contributing in england before retiring to Greece.
Both are traditional labour supporting remainers.
The treatment they have both received for free in the greek nhs has been second to none over the last 15 years: goodbye to all that!
Is that worth gloating over?

 

Not digging or gloating, just trying to warn of what has been announced in the last couple of weeks. If it came across like that I'll blame the great education from Foulstone. There are people living in the EU with chronic (and acute) diseases that are looking at not being able to get private cover, free cover in their country of residence or NHS cover either based on an arbitrary date. For some, it could mean a long slow death and they are being ignored by government.

 

O/T but nice try at a wind up.. No it is all sorted. In the first instance we have been advised by the NHS and the Italian authorities that after living here 5 years and paying into the Italian health system (as we had not reached State pensionable age) now that I have, we are now treated as Italian citizens regarding free health cover under the system. This will continue, deal or no deal.

Funnily we were at the local hospital today as my wife has ongoing tests as the screening programme several weeks ago highlighted a potential problem and the follow up biopsy today whilst clear (analysis carried out at the same time as the procedure) means they recommended she should still have an MRI scan in a few weeks to make absolutely certain there is unlikely to be any long term issues. We have also been advised (had a letter only a few weeks ago from the NHS) that now we are state pension age that the UK will now reimburse Italy for the cost of medical care and that we will continue to be able to receive (as UK citizens) free health care in the UK should we wish. That does not affect us as we had medical cover here anyway under the system and the staff and equipment are of a very good standard but simply means Italy no longer bears the full cost of any treatment we receive.

Also the back of the Tessa Sanitaria we have is the equivalent of the EHIC card in the EU and entitles us to the same level of cover we have in Italy (In some countries in Europe we would have to pay for cover and then claim it back, whilst in others, there would be nothing to pay up front). Rather like the dual taxation treaties that exist between countries, it has little or nothing to do with EU membership for the countries or individuals settled in those countries.

If you have read differently you are getting your information from the wrong place.

 

Hopefully Greece will be the same as Italy where - see my reply to Scoff - deal or no deal long term residents continue to receive the same cover they had before. certainly UK citizens retain the right to free healthcare in the UK .

 

So where has it been announced? We have letters from both the NHS and information from the UK embassy with a working group liaising with the Italian Govt that contradicts that announcement.

 

Fair enough!