We can't vote for Jeremy Corbyn

You’ll be fcucking heartbroken when you realise what Johnson and Farage have been telling you then!!

 

Did you miss the part where I said I hated Johnson? Must have done.

I hate em all, there's not one single party I can warm to.

 

Why not an argument about what Johnson has actually done then? Real things like lies, cheating, sacking etc. Why is it always Corbyn?

 

Corbyn used the word brother on Iranian television. It's a mark of respect in the Islamic community for a man to refer to another man as brother, regardless of whether they approve of them. Similar to the way 'honourable' is used in Parliament when MPs address each other.

The man in question was an academic who had been imprisoned on spurious charges (he was accused of allowing terrorists to use his father's house in which they made bombs) and was later released by the Israelis.

Corbyn believed he had been falsely imprisoned and that it was an excuse to prevent his academic criticism of the Israeli governments policies.

Clumsy from JC, yes. A reason to write off him and Labour as unfit to lead the country? Absolutely not.

 

I'd suggest you take a historical tour of 1947 when it was the Jews who were the terrorists, bombing and killing innocent people.

And before anybody suggests different that's not an anti Semitic statement just an illustration that politics is rarely black and white

I don't like Corbyn much but he's a sitting target for the right wing tabloid tags to influence the hard of thinking with accusations of terrorist sympathiser.

He stood up for the Palestinians who are being treated appallingly by Israel. Doesn't suit the Daily Fail's rabid agenda though.

 

Mainly because there's already 30 threads a day on here about that. I get sick to death of coming on here to speak football and you get politics rammed down your throat.

Johnson - liar
Corbyn - liar
Swinson - liar
Farage - liar
The Scottish man/woman thing - liar.

There's a trend here...

 

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There’s not. Seriously there’s not, but that doesn’t stop the same garbage about Corbyn. In case you missed it yesterday read below. And also feel free to check those mp’s voting records, I have, you’ll be surprised or you’ll just shrug your shoulders and shout “that they are all the same” despite the evidence in front of you. Oh and I think it’s Nicola Sturgeon, use her name not that bile above.


I don't think Corbyn's the best leader ever. I appreciate that he's not the best at appealing to a lot of demographics. he's crap with soundbites; not good at speaking straight to camera. Better in real situations with real people. I appreciate that he's not got a great deal of, what would you call it, zing. I don't agree with him on everything by any means.


Still, you know something I know? If Labour lose the election, Jeremy Corbyn will probably go back to being a local MP. He'll carry on holding speakers up for people at meetings, and helping people with their chairs, and thanking people for making the sandwiches. He'll carry on having talks and doing constituency surgeries and attending debates and asking questions and campaigning on various issues and staying behind to carry on talking about stuff with ordinary people after the event's finished. If he weren't the leader now, he'd be campaigning on behalf of the party. He'd be standing at the back helping.


He's not going to swan off to a career of after-dinner speaking and corporate events and non-executive directorships and consultancies. He's not going to edit the Evening Standard. It's not his personal ambition that's brought him here.


he wasn't ever that keen on being a leader. The only reason he stood when he did was that, to paraphrase another Labour front-bencher, every other remaining left-wing MP in the party had already stood as the token socialist candidate in a previous leadership election, and it was basically his turn.


And here's the thing: his apparent lack of charisma notwithstanding (and what is this charisma that apparently Tim Farron and Theresa May possess? It's like nothing I've ever seen described using that term before), he's the exact opposite of what everyone seems to agree they're sick of in politicians. The meaningless soundbites and stock phrases and glib dog-whistle oversimplifications don't sit naturally with him. He's better at sitting down calmly and talking about things like a grown-up. He's visibly irritated when interviewers push him to answer stupid, meaningless or leading questions, and, to me, that irritation seems remarkably restrained considering that I'd probably be unable to put up with such ******** without flying into an expletive-laden rant. He reminds me of a Scandinavian politician, and that's nothing but a compliment. Politicians aren't supposed to be evangelists or salespeople; they're supposed to be people of substance, not just a mass of superficially appealing tics, right? Right?


In short, he's a real human person, like you get in real life, not whatever kind of thing most politicians are where you just cannot imagine them existing in any normal situation alongside real people without getting punched in the face. I've seen people like him, working in various capacities, usually doing something socially responsible, sometimes voluntary. They help. They support. They sympathise. They don't usually get to the top of organisations because they're not naturally competitive. And here he is, in a position he probably never expected to be in, and his expression is, for me, the right one: he's grim; a touch uncertain; perhaps somewhat daunted. Quite right too. Anyone who's not daunted by the prospect of being Prime Minister shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the job. I want whoever leads the country to feel the responsibility as keenly as possible. The Prime Minister is the servant of millions of masters, not the master of millions of servants, as Boris Johnson seems to think he is. It's a horrible job, but if nobody else is going to do it, he'll have to. Because someone's got to. You can't just stand there and do nothing. You have to try to help; to do what you can. That's what he's like. And if the election's lost as the last two were, he'll go back to helping in whatever other ways are available. And if he loses his seat (which he won't), he'll go and try to help somewhere else.


The fact that this man is considered unelectable when the alternatives are as they are is itself an indictment of our society.

 

you are aware that that the current govt entered into a supply and confidence agreement with the DUP. You may want to look at their origins. They also sell guns to Saudi terrorists sympathisers that are then used to kill our kids.

 

Fantastic

 

I can’t think of many better alternatives

 

Your naive sentiments are way off base! I noticed u didn’t provide a counter argument for his anti Semitic tendencies! Or does that lack any significance? I never used the word ‘pacifist’ - u said it! Neither did I actually imply it! I said he’s a notorious supporter of terrorist organisations - a plethora of evidence (if u want to find it).You clearly need to do your research - labelling the SAS as ‘lawless’ to name but one incident. As ex - forces, I certainly couldn’t vote for such an extremist and I’m far from alone on that matter.

 

1. On the anti-semitism allegations, other posters have addressed that. Corbyn has defended the rights of the Jewish community for years. He's also been critical of the Israeli government. There's a difference. Occassionally he has shared platforms with people who have made anti-semetic remarks for which he has apologised. This doesn't make him an anti-semite.

2. Calling someone a pacifist isn't an insult. Corbyn would define himself as one.

3. If you're asking for me to do the research for you to prove your statements then there's really not much point us debating.

 

There really isnt any point, followers of dear leader are blind to his dubious past when it comes to his ‘friends’ Hamas and of course his links to the ira. It reminds me of all those poor fookers in North Korea laughing and clapping furiously whenever their dear leaders about. Incidentally, I also read that JC said of North Korea that it would be a shame if it gave in to American imperialism. The man and his cult are absolute arseoiles and the sooner he loses this election and gets kicked back into the long grass the better.

 

There u go again - I never implied any of what you are suggesting regarding pacifism. Essentially it’s either a blatant naivety, unwillingness to address the man’s shortcomings or simply a poor use of inference on your part, which prevents any further semblance of serious debate. Enough said.

 

Out of interest (as he is also my MP), what is wrong with John Healey?

We have had some issues with burglaries on the estate I live on, and he has helped out as much as he could to reduce the problem.

 

Does this also include terrorists like Nelson Mandela?

Corbyn was protesting for his release while the Thatcher government was telling the world he was a terrorist...

Does this include supporting "less nice" rulers, like Pinochet or Pol Pot?

Both of these were supported by Conservative governments - including after Pol Pot had been overthrown and the reports of the Killing Fields were in the public domain.

 

See Pompey Red & Monkey Reds posts. They’ve put it far better than I ever could.

 

We can’t vote for corbyn as he’s a ******* amateur. Crapwrasels like Johnson and slugface are there for the taking and corbyn’ not up to the job the middle class statue.
Declare the Labour Party dead and start afresh and we might oust these ********. Until then, I’m afraid it’s same old

 

You invoked anti-Corbyn arguments which are based on his pacifism and little else, i.e. your unfounded allegations regarding his decimation of armed forces.

Nice one on the use of lesser-spotted words. Still doesn't make up for the fact that you've provided zero evidence to support your original statements.