The Floods

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  1. Wat

    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Suppose we could lame Labour.
     
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    Think so eventually yeah. Not initially though. I know the government were criticised for the response back then as well, I suppose it's natural when you lose your home to an event to presume that nobody is doing nothing.

    Remember when Darton flooded back in I think 2007? Response was pretty much all the locals helping out, but long term work was performed on the river areas. Fingers crossed but it looks as though for the minute those measures were successful. Last week there was a little overspill in Darton but nothing of the scenes prior.

    I expect the same will happen now around Donny..

    In the current changing climate, I certainly wouldn't want to make home next to a river or indeed on a flood plain. Things are likely to get worse rather than better.
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Or the Environment Agency who've had 60% funding cut since the Tories took over and seen 1400 jobs lost.
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Ultimately the water has to go somewhere, so if you build defences it just moves more water further downstream at faster rates. The biggest issue is building houses on flood plains. It's utter lunacy. Those in charge of trying to redirect that water then have decisions to make about where to build defences and which properties to protect, with limited funds.

    Do they protect 500 new build houses in a spot they shouldn't have been built on? Or the small village that never floods, but will be if they shovel more water downstream?

    I don't know the ins and outs of the flooding in Fishlake but it might be worth noting that it hadn't been flooded in 100 years before last week.
     
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    I don’t.

    Donny flooded catastrophically in 2007, at the same time you reference.

    More parts of Bentley and in particular Toll Bar were underwater. Lives were lost, not just homes. Twelve years on and it’s just as bad.

    The Don in the central area used to go down twenty odd feet. It’s now seven or eight. But dredging wouldn’t make a difference...

    One side of Bentley was saved (or has been so far) by them using industrial pumps to pump from one side of a ditch to another over a banking.

    It was meant to go to the river - but it was full - so they effectively chose to flood the town end of Bentley to save the rest. This probably had a net save in terms of property damage and risk to life so maybe they had to do it - but homes and lives have been turned upside down and in part at least this was an active choice.

    Sheffield has installed effective flood defence since 07 at a cost of over £20million.

    This has meant the water has come downstream to Doncaster. The river levels here, despite little rain since Thursday, have barely dropped and as it is tidal the Don could spill over again at any point.

    It will happen again in decade or so, like it did before, because they will do nothing. Because there isn’t any money or resource to do so.
     
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    yes total disgrace. I live very close to Fishlake and am quite concerned.

    Bentley flooded in 2007 and it ruined people’s lives. Disgrace that it’s been allowed to happen again.

    I do agree that it illuminates the disparity in treatment between North and South
     
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    Disclaimer, I worked for the EA on the Humber Flood Defence Scheme where they bought farmers land (that went down well when the alternative was a compulsory purchase order!) and allowed it to flood to remove the risk of flooding downstream (ie Hull). I'm not an expert on it but know some odds and sods and contrary to belief the EA have some really clever people working for them and some really powerful river modelling software when they try to work out where to build defences etc.
     
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    Spot on. It's a sad bit little appreciated fact that they have to flood one place to 'save' another. When more green fields are concreted over not only does it put those properties at risk, but the water run off goes up too. Drains don't cope and it has nowhere to go.

    It's another reason why 'growing the economy' via the usual capitalist model is nonsensical rubbish. Following the logic you'd just build until there's no green fields left. Then what?
     
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    Must be just a coincidence they’ve spent millions in Sheffield shoring up flood defences and now downstream places are getting flooded.....
     
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    Greenbelt policy needs a total review and is not fit for purpose. We can't escape the need for new homes, but that need and a desire to only develop brownfield sites and land away from affluent areas is leading to homes in the wrong places. There's also loads of brownfield land which wouldn't exacerbate flood risk too that remains undeveloped as it is land banked or owned by organisations who have contaminated it, won't pay for clean up, yet expect market value.

    There needs to be a progressive programme of allocation of suitable land for development and increased powers of compulsary purchase for local authorities. Even attempts to plant trees in the greenbelt is failing because landowners won't sell their land for more than its currently worth because they are sitting on it and hoping they'll one day get housing development value. And they're wealthy enough to wait for several generations.
     
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    I did hear that in 2007 Bentley was allowed to flood to save the new college they’d just built at the end of north bridge, don't know if its true or not but bentley being one of the poorest areas of donny doesn't seem to be getting much help.
     
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    Possibly!
     
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    The sooner we are out of the EU the better. It's all the immigrants weighing the country down that's why its flooding.
     
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    Aye a piece of 4x2 across the kneecaps would do it.

    Darton, Bentley, Hull in 2007- Labour were in govt.
    Was the response different?
    Genuinely interested.
     
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    Proper flooding
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    This guy talks about extra dredging

    My worry is lack of regular maintenance due to lack of investment and common sense .
    The Somerset Levels is reclaimed land as is the Isle of Axholme and the Fens .

    Some farmers don't help themselves by not maintaining their own ditches .
     
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    Think Corbyn already has :)
     
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    Yes, but some folk will still vote for these cu.nts in some misguided belief that they give a flying fu.ck about the north.
     
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    They could start by stopping the likes of Skipton Properties (local to us, but I’m sure every area’s got one) building huge new estates on flood plains.
     
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