Johnson v Corbyn The ITV Debate

Said it before, JC & DA are clearly very good MP’s for their own constituencies (only have to look at their records and local feedback to see that) but are not people who inspire from the front as leaders.
Some of that undoubtedly will be media driven granted, but a lot of that comes from their general demeanour and body language.
What JC does have and deserves respect and admiration for are his unwavering beliefs. People don’t have to agree with some of them but it is clear to see he has these.

For balance, you can’t claim the same for BJ as a MP, who clearly is a career MP and doesn’t inspire as a leader either.
What he does have though is entertainment factor, not a trait for a PM, personally but as a result some will be drawn to him.

 

you arent though. you are quite clearly trying to ridicule a black female politician despite it having it pointed out to you that many many of the same mistakes have been made by white male politicians. of both sides. you wont understand though it seems, based on the evidence above.

 

You could say that about any safe Tory seat, in fact if you put a blue rosette on king Arthur Scargill they'd vote for him in Henley.

 

I didn't watch it, the snapshots this morning suggest that was the right decision and the same old tired white males did their best to hide their flaws and evade questions.

In relation to Diane Abbott... she's been notably missing in the media rounds this time round after her car crashes last GE. Is she intelligent, maybe. Is she a good communicator. No. Has she any warmth or likeability. Not to me. Are her constituents content to have her as MP, clearly they do.

The issue for me is not how inept Diane Abbott is on the front bench, its the inconsistency and flagrant bias in the system and in the media. That filters into soundbites and becomes the condensed version for saying why one party is worse than the other. The game of tribalism over reason.

if you look at the tories. You have truly purely incompetent people in the actual cabinet, let alone beyond. You have people who have lied, repeatedly. You have Raab and Patel, Johnson (and Cummings), Rees Mogg and Gove.

But these people don't get held to account by the media. Take the front page of the Telegraph today as an example. It outlines Corbyn being jeered and laughed at by the audience as yet again he failed to give a sentient answer to his Brexit stance.

However. The Prime Minister of the country. Someone who has access to security intelligence. Has access to huge amounts of our personal data. Can use a military and fire missiles. Negotiates and communicates with other country leaders.

He was laughed and jeered at MORE... relating to truth and if it matters. The obvious connection that people think he and his party don't tell the truth. That they are liars and deceive (FactCheck just the latest example).

Yet none of this is highlighted on the front page. Why is that?

So yes, Diane Abbott isn't an inspiring especially competent cabinet minister, but why is that the issue, when so many other things which are more likely to happen, are more damaging, and much more important are being ignored, dismissed and glossed over?

 

I'm still no foooookin wiser, had Brexit for breakfast, dinner, an tea for 3 fooookin years, watched two blokes last neight talking politics and aving a bigger laugh than Live at the Apollo. Labour, Lib Dems want another referendum, another 3 foooookin years of this crap, simple for me, VOTE Brexit and lets end it now. People like me who are non the wiser and basically couldnt give a crap are sick of it. Theres a lot on ere who know wot thar on abart but reading all the Threads and Arguments, honestly its opinions, somebody wi an opinion and feels strongly abart it aint gunna change. I dunt vote but im sick of it. 58 yrs old first ever vote BREXIT.

 

Another hung parliament on it's way, youmg 'un! Get ready for more of the same!

 

Theres a 3rd of the UK who probably dunt vote, i'm in that 3rd we are the people the politicians should be aiming for, if a 3rd of the population who dunt vote feel like r do.

 

Completely agree.

It’s a sad state of affairs that the majority of the general public seem to just vote for whoever they see as a good talker like Blair & Cameron.

Boris could get caught up in the Epstein affair & he’d probably still get elected due to him been able to get away with anything

 

Getting it done isn't the end of it....its the beginning so you will be hearing about it for at least the next 10 years. The only way to make it go away is to stop it

 

Best case. Johnson wins a majority and passes his WA, and you just get onto the second stage of Brexit which is a year of negotiating a trade deal - which then has to go through all 27 national (and some regional) Parliaments to be approved. Most experts are predicting this to take upwards of 3-5 years. The further divergence the govt want from the EU, the longer it will take.

So, in summary Tory "Get Brexit Done" sets you up for *at least* 3-5 years of more Brexit. Labour gets you another referendum, so six months+ of Brexit on a deal, and LibDems "******** to Brexit" ends it overnight.

 

If you do want the end of Brexit, you can only vote for Lib Dem. BxP, Tory and Labour are navigating towards leaving in some way shape or form and that will bring years/decades of change and upheaval.

 

True to form, "Conservative Party chairman James Cleverly defended the rebranding. He told BBC Newsnight: "The Twitter handle of the CCHQ press office remained CCHQPress, so it's clear the nature of the site."

That's not how Twitter see it. "Any further attempts to mislead people by editing verified profile information - in a manner seen during the UK Election Debate - will result in decisive corrective action."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50482637

 

How i'd love for them to push twitter a little more and have their account taken offline. That would be priceless.

 

Or even just lose verified status, which I think would have been an appropriate response given their terms and conditions and the gravity of the offence.

 

Sadly there will be dummy accounts ready to step into and huge amounts of bots and data builders to leverage their lies and bile to the masses, so even if they lost their blue tick, or were taken offline, it would only be a fleeting positive, I'm sure.

 

You know it doesn’t just ‘end’ right?
I mean you’re clearly joking when you post that?

 

Sadly it doesn't make a jot of difference. Jonny Racist doesn't care or know about Twitter he wants to GET BREXIT DONE and SEND THEM BACK.

 

And amazingly after being reported for altering their Twitter name the Tories have simply been told by Twitter not to do it again , where as Ralf Little, in response to it, changed his to Conservative Press Orifice and took the p155 and has had his account suspended.

 

I don't think Corbyn is dishonest but suffers selective memory loss forgetting what he has said in the past... A recent example is the political capital tried to make during the Shamima Begum 'removal of citizenship' debate.
Whilst he had a valid PoV from a legal perspective, apart from misjudging the mood of many people , he nevertheless argued on more than one occasion that many young people 15, 16 etc are groomed and easily led since they were too young and naive to be able to make informed decisions and , in effect, are victims.
Fast forward to the more recent debate regarding the calling of a GE and referendum where he argues that too.16 year olds should be given the vote as they are responsible and their opinions and political views should be considered.
It is these sort of things that give rise to accusations of indecision and opportunism.
Not that most other MPs and the PM are any different. The current 'anything you can do we can do better' approach in the current election campaign from both parties is laughable and, frankly, embarrassing. Manifestos should be underwritten by law (ex Force Majeur) and all promises should be included in the Queens speech when a new Government is elected. Arguing that "we did not know how bad things were" does not stand up. You should not make promises to the electorate that you cannot guarantee you can honour if elected

 

Swimming against the tide of history there, Tekktyke?